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Some things that NEVER came to pass.

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Mar 28 2007, 12:56am


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In November of 1995 Peter Jackson had the idea of making a movie in the style of The Lord of the Rings. Fran asked why create his own story and not just do The Lord of the Rings or the Hobbit? This was the start of the evolution of the three The Lord of the Rings movies. Any creative endeavor is an evolution and the end product is better than any of the versions gone through along the way. Some of these are what Peter refers to as ‘often misguided Hollywood moments’ and some are the studio’s misguided Hollywood moments. The scary thing about the latter is that a studio will seldom see the error of its ways. Anyway, there was no guarantee that any of the original ideas of the writers or the studio would not end up in the movies, except for the talent of the film makers. Following are some of those ideas taken from Peter Jackson, A Film-Maker’s Journey.
(By the way, this is the short list.)

The original plan was to make The Hobbit as one movie and if that was successful, make The Lord of the Rings as two movies. When it was found that Saul Zaentz didn’t own all the rights to The Hobbit it was decided to just do the two movies of The Lord of the Rings.

Mirimax - Let’s make TWO movies:

Bob Weinstein of Mirimax:
“We’ve got to kill a hobbit! I don’t care which one; you can pick – I’m not telling you who it should be; you pick out who you want to kill, but we’ve really got to kill one of those hobbits!”

Gwhihir in Edoras:
After Gwhihir rescues Gandalf from Orthanc, “The eagle carries the wizard to Edoras – alighting in the marketplace, knocking over stalls with his wide wingspan.”

Sam lassoes a Fell Beast:
“…Sam uses Galadriel’s rope to lasso one of the talons of the Nazgul steed and hitch it to the ruined masonry. The beast and its rider flounder around, reducing the ancient structure to rubble…”

The Paths of the Dead :
“The walls of the tunnel suddenly start to undulate as a fleshy tumor-like texture spreads across them… Beneath their feet the tunnel floor heaves and breaths like diseased lungs!”

Aragorn and Arwen:
“Aragorn and Eowyn are asleep in each other’s arms. Loud knocking awakes them… Aragorn opens the door, pulling his robes around him. He awkwardly faces Arwen who flings her arms around his shoulders… Eowyn watches from the window…”

Aragorn and Arwen:
“…the second film was originally going to open with the couple bathing naked in the ‘crystal clear rock pools’ of the Glittering Caves, where they happen to be discovered by Legolas and Gimli who are taking a sight-seeing boat trip through the caves!
Also, in the early versions of the scripts, it is Arwen – rather than Eowyn – who rides out of Dunharrow disguised as a man and later defeats the Witch-king…”

Mirimax - Let’s make ONE movie:

“…the two-film structure contained too much information, too many characters and too many situations.
…cut the Battle of Helm’s deep; cut or re-work the role of Saruman (on a ‘use him or lose him’ principle) making him more effectively the villain of the piece, ‘Darth Varder to Sauron’s Emperor’; combine the realm of Rohan and Gondor and the cities of Edoras and Minas Tirith; fuse the characters of King Theoden with Denethor and that of Faramir with Eowyn) with a preference for the female character, who would then have become Boromir’s younger sister!); cut the Ringwraiths’ attack on Bree and hold them back for the assault at Weathertop; cut the events of Moria (abandoning then Cave-troll on the way); have the Ents prevent the Orc-kidnapping of Merry and Pippin and delay Gandalf’s return as the White Wizard.”

New Line – Let’s make THREE movies:

New Line wants Sean Connery:
“New Line were indicating to us that casting was going to be very critical and they really wanted somebody like Sean Connery in the role of Gandalf – thinking it was necessary to anchor the movies and keep their foreign distributors happy.”

New Line – the Watcher in the Water:
“We haven’t started work on the monster yet, so if we cut that out it would save us a bit of shooting time and it would save us having to build and animate the creature…”

Ending to The Fellowship of the Ring:
“The sequence had Frodo and Sam Paddling down the River Anduin in the Elven boat when an Uruk bursts up from under the water, lurches into the boat, grabbing at Frodo, who vainly tries to defend himself with the paddle. Seeing the Ring on the chain around Frodo’s neck, the Uruk seizes it and drags the struggling Frodo overboard and down to the bottom of the riverbed. Following a terrific underwater struggle, Frodo manages to kick himself free, is helped back into the boat by Sam and the boat is carried away by the Great River towards the second film!”

Arwen at Helm’s Deep:
“Within the context of having the Elves at Helm’s Deep, it seemed natural to have Arwen fighting alongside Aragorn and her people.”

Eowyn in the Glittering Caves:
“…Eowyn delivers a child born to Morwen, the mother of the two refugee children who carry the news of the Uruk-hai attack on Rohan to Edoras. Shortly after the birth of Morwen’s baby, the Uruks invade the caves, marauding and killing, while Eowyn – swiftly changing role from midwife to swordswoman – singlehandedly fights off the enemy with much slaughtering. As one of the Uruk-hai is about to seize, and presumably eat, the newborn child, Eowyn wields her sword and deftly decapitates the assailant!”

Aragorn fights Sauron:
“The designs created for Sauron at the pont when he is finally drawn out of Barad-dur to face the returning king were a ‘supercharged’ version of his appearance during his fight with Elendial as depicted in the film’s prologue.”

Frodo kills Gollum:
“When we originally shot the scene, Gollum bit off Frodo’s finger and Frodo pushed Gollum off the ledge into the fires below. It was straight-out murder, but at the time we were okay with it because because we felt everyone wanted Frodo to kill Gollum.”

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Some things that NEVER came to pass. OhioHobbit Send a private message to OhioHobbit Mar 28 2007, 12:56am
    Lovely post! SandWitch King Send a private message to SandWitch King Mar 28 2007, 1:13am
        See Alcarcalime's reply to ladyoftheredwoods below. (n/t) OhioHobbit Send a private message to OhioHobbit Mar 28 2007, 10:55pm
    *shivers* Messenjah Send a private message to Messenjah Mar 28 2007, 1:14am
        Scary isn't it? (n/t) OhioHobbit Send a private message to OhioHobbit Mar 28 2007, 10:59pm
    now that's what I call a rough draft... weaver Send a private message to weaver Mar 28 2007, 1:18am
        You should read the book. OhioHobbit Send a private message to OhioHobbit Mar 28 2007, 11:03pm
            Which ones were the studio's ideas? weaver Send a private message to weaver Mar 28 2007, 11:48pm
                Studio's ideas OhioHobbit Send a private message to OhioHobbit Mar 29 2007, 10:53pm
                    thanks for posting this... weaver Send a private message to weaver Mar 30 2007, 2:51pm
                        Excerpts OhioHobbit Send a private message to OhioHobbit Mar 31 2007, 8:28pm
                    Yes, thanks! hasufel Send a private message to hasufel Mar 30 2007, 9:51pm
    Good heavens what a blessing... Patty Send a private message to Patty Mar 28 2007, 1:48am
        I agree OhioHobbit Send a private message to OhioHobbit Mar 28 2007, 11:04pm
    Well. stridersGIRL Send a private message to stridersGIRL Mar 28 2007, 2:10am
    Why do I get the feeling that a lot of that... diedye Send a private message to diedye Mar 28 2007, 2:49am
        wow hasufel Send a private message to hasufel Mar 28 2007, 3:05pm
            Peter was lucky to have gotten three movies... OhioHobbit Send a private message to OhioHobbit Mar 28 2007, 11:07pm
                really? hasufel Send a private message to hasufel Mar 29 2007, 2:45pm
                    As I recall... Silverlode Send a private message to Silverlode Mar 29 2007, 8:12pm
                        Thanks to both hasufel Send a private message to hasufel Mar 30 2007, 9:55pm
                        It's even better than that... Aerin Send a private message to Aerin Apr 4 2007, 5:12am
        Nope! (n/t) OhioHobbit Send a private message to OhioHobbit Mar 28 2007, 11:08pm
    It's hard to believe that any one of these is not a joke./ Elberbeth Send a private message to Elberbeth Mar 28 2007, 2:50pm
    Some of these were filmed! Advising Elf Send a private message to Advising Elf Mar 28 2007, 3:25pm
        Some of them made it into the movie picture books Aunt Dora Baggins Send a private message to Aunt Dora Baggins Mar 28 2007, 8:53pm
        <The skulls in the Paths of the Dead ROTK EE aren't any better than what's mentioned here. > OhioHobbit Send a private message to OhioHobbit Mar 28 2007, 11:10pm
            I agree! Advising Elf Send a private message to Advising Elf Mar 29 2007, 12:18am
    An Aragorn/Arwen nude bathing scene? Morwen Send a private message to Morwen Mar 28 2007, 3:58pm
        Viggo already did that. With Diane Lane./ Elberbeth Send a private message to Elberbeth Mar 28 2007, 4:17pm
            Was that in "A Walk on the Moon"? Morwen Send a private message to Morwen Mar 28 2007, 5:16pm
                It was. And in spite of being in cold water Elberbeth Send a private message to Elberbeth Mar 28 2007, 5:21pm
        Yes, in my opinion we really lucked out! (n/t) OhioHobbit Send a private message to OhioHobbit Mar 28 2007, 11:11pm
    Where can I buy PJ's biography? ladyoftheredwoods Send a private message to ladyoftheredwoods Mar 28 2007, 6:03pm
        OhioHobbit's wife here... Alcarcalime Send a private message to Alcarcalime Mar 28 2007, 7:58pm
            Thanks ladyoftheredwoods Send a private message to ladyoftheredwoods Mar 29 2007, 2:44am
                Yes... Alcarcalime Send a private message to Alcarcalime Mar 29 2007, 5:11am
    Let's get back to the bathing scenes ... Idril Celebrindal Send a private message to Idril Celebrindal Mar 28 2007, 7:17pm
        We had all hoped for that one, LOL! Elberbeth Send a private message to Elberbeth Mar 28 2007, 8:53pm
        What? (n/t) OhioHobbit Send a private message to OhioHobbit Mar 28 2007, 11:13pm
        Liv Tyler did do some persuading... weaver Send a private message to weaver Mar 28 2007, 11:41pm
            I mean, Ataahua Send a private message to Ataahua Mar 29 2007, 12:31am
            worked well hasufel Send a private message to hasufel Mar 29 2007, 2:55pm
                You're right, it would have really tied it together. Patty Send a private message to Patty Mar 29 2007, 3:41pm
            In another interview Aerin Send a private message to Aerin Apr 7 2007, 12:38am
    I think we all have an idea just how bad it could have been.... Noneoftheabove Send a private message to Noneoftheabove Mar 29 2007, 8:31am
        Not mine! OhioHobbit Send a private message to OhioHobbit Mar 29 2007, 10:55pm
    I got to thinking OhioHobbit Send a private message to OhioHobbit Mar 29 2007, 10:57pm
        I very much took your post Radhruin Send a private message to Radhruin Mar 29 2007, 11:08pm
    Characters ladyoftheredwoods Send a private message to ladyoftheredwoods Mar 30 2007, 4:44pm
        I've been separated from my book. OhioHobbit Send a private message to OhioHobbit Mar 31 2007, 6:13am
        I have been re-united with my book. OhioHobbit Send a private message to OhioHobbit Apr 5 2007, 5:41pm
            Thanks ladyoftheredwoods Send a private message to ladyoftheredwoods Apr 6 2007, 4:04pm
                Faramir and Philippa OhioHobbit Send a private message to OhioHobbit Apr 6 2007, 9:06pm
    This really brings into terrifying focus Eärwen Swan Maiden Of Alqualondë Send a private message to Eärwen Swan Maiden Of Alqualondë Apr 1 2007, 9:48pm
        Exactly! OhioHobbit Send a private message to OhioHobbit Apr 1 2007, 10:38pm
            I second that motion Eärwen Swan Maiden Of Alqualondë Send a private message to Eärwen Swan Maiden Of Alqualondë Apr 2 2007, 4:29am
                AMEN! /nt hobbitlove Send a private message to hobbitlove Apr 2 2007, 6:16am
    Just catching up on this terrific thread, OH! You done good. = ) hobbitlove Send a private message to hobbitlove Apr 2 2007, 6:40am
        Glad to hear from you -- OhioHobbit Send a private message to OhioHobbit Apr 2 2007, 1:42pm
    AHA! Aerin Send a private message to Aerin Apr 4 2007, 5:20am
        Chicken or the egg? OhioHobbit Send a private message to OhioHobbit Apr 5 2007, 3:43pm
            I don't think so. Aerin Send a private message to Aerin Apr 7 2007, 12:29am
                You're right! OhioHobbit Send a private message to OhioHobbit Apr 7 2007, 2:06am
                Well even the bad ideas FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Apr 7 2007, 7:27am
                    Denethor's Demise ladyoftheredwoods Send a private message to ladyoftheredwoods Apr 7 2007, 5:01pm
                        There's something not quite right FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Apr 7 2007, 5:25pm
                    I thought that you might find this interesting. OhioHobbit Send a private message to OhioHobbit Apr 7 2007, 5:58pm
                        Pleasing many different audiences FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Apr 7 2007, 8:06pm
                            I just wish Aerin Send a private message to Aerin Apr 8 2007, 3:41am
                                You know, I think that... Silverlode Send a private message to Silverlode Apr 8 2007, 5:10am
                                    Exactly! Aerin Send a private message to Aerin Apr 8 2007, 5:52am
                                If he'd known then FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Apr 8 2007, 11:23am
                                    Well ladyoftheredwoods Send a private message to ladyoftheredwoods Apr 8 2007, 3:43pm
                                        I think you're right! FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Apr 8 2007, 5:18pm
                                            Heavenly Creatures ladyoftheredwoods Send a private message to ladyoftheredwoods Apr 9 2007, 12:17am
                                            No, that's not it at all. Aerin Send a private message to Aerin Apr 11 2007, 5:33am
                                                Fair enough FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Apr 11 2007, 5:23pm
                                                    It would take an awfully broad definition Aerin Send a private message to Aerin Apr 11 2007, 7:34pm
                                                        somewhat agree hasufel Send a private message to hasufel Apr 11 2007, 8:53pm
                                                            If Jackson had wanted Aerin Send a private message to Aerin Apr 11 2007, 10:23pm
                                                                to each his/her own hasufel Send a private message to hasufel Apr 12 2007, 3:51pm
                                                                    I could cite Aerin Send a private message to Aerin Apr 12 2007, 5:08pm
                                                                        confused hasufel Send a private message to hasufel Apr 12 2007, 5:39pm
                                                                            Why does Aerin Send a private message to Aerin Apr 13 2007, 12:14am
                                                                                good question hasufel Send a private message to hasufel Apr 13 2007, 2:12am
                                                                                    I appreciate Aerin Send a private message to Aerin Apr 13 2007, 4:48am
                                                                                        couple differences on characters hasufel Send a private message to hasufel Apr 13 2007, 2:49pm
                                                                                            A key Aerin Send a private message to Aerin Apr 13 2007, 6:56pm
                                                                                                depends... hasufel Send a private message to hasufel Apr 13 2007, 10:43pm
                                                                                                    It's not harsh. Aerin Send a private message to Aerin Apr 14 2007, 12:20am
                                                                                                        yes! hasufel Send a private message to hasufel Apr 14 2007, 6:14pm
                                                        I think the acting in this scene FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Apr 12 2007, 3:09pm
                                As I once said somewhere else - OhioHobbit Send a private message to OhioHobbit Apr 8 2007, 4:46pm
                                I like belching! hasufel Send a private message to hasufel Apr 9 2007, 4:45pm
                                    Yep Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Apr 9 2007, 5:10pm
                                        Nice point! FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Apr 12 2007, 4:03pm

 
 
 

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