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Kangi Ska
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Aug 21 2008, 12:51pm
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Well it appears that Mr. Baggins & Co. is in good hands.
 Ambrose Heron of FILMdetail.com recently spoke with Guillermo del Toro about Hellboy II and they also discussed some interesting tidbits about the writing of the 'Hobbit' script:
I seem to have a never ending mine of reading material. I started by reading everything I could get my hands on that Tolkien wrote of Middle-earth. And then I started reading as many books as I can about Tolkien writing about Middle-earth. I want to get as familiar with the cosmology and the genealogy and the geography of that place as possible. Because for many, myself included, it has to become a real place again.
I'm very much knee deep in that - I'm knee deep in writing and throwing the long lines of the stories along with Peter, Fran and Philippa. You know the four of us are doing 'The Beatles; and we are co-writing the screenplays. I must say its going great - we are having a blast! And I'm discovering aspects of Tolkien's world and Middle-earth that I find fascinating and in some instances even heart-breaking and moving - in the way that they reflect, voluntarily or not, the episode of his generation. Going through WWI and the world of trenches and the abandonment and corruption of honor by greed and by brutality. This is really illuminating in how the Hobbit progresses dramatically - a tale of a Golden Age in the Shire. To a darker place at the end of the book.
Listen to the complete interview at FILMdetail.com. The 'Hobbit' discussion starts at approximately 4:30 point. [FILMdetail]
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Sunflower
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Aug 21 2008, 1:43pm
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"The Beatles"? Let's hope he's not Ringo....:)
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I can't wait to listen to these....
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Aug 21 2008, 2:10pm
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Everytime I read something like this...
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... that concerns the emotional aspect of the movie...
"And I'm discovering aspects of Tolkien's world and Middle-earth that I find fascinating and in some instances even heart-breaking and moving - in the way that they reflect, voluntarily or not, the episode of his generation. Going through WWI and the world of trenches and the abandonment and corruption of honor by greed and by brutality. This is really illuminating in how the Hobbit progresses dramatically - a tale of a Golden Age in the Shire. To a darker place at the end of the book."
...I just get a gut feeling that PJ, Fran, and Philippa found the right person in GDT 
Crows and Gibbets! What is The House Of Eorl but a thatched barn where brigands drink in the reek, and their brats roll around on the floor with their dogs! You are but a lesser son of greater Sires.
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Goldberry of the river
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Aug 21 2008, 2:24pm
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I'm so pleased and relieved...
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that GDT is reading everthing Tolkien and enjoying it too. You have to be a fan of the books to be able to put your heart and soul into making it and get amazing results.
Why does 2011 have to be so far away?!!! I can't wait!
Brian Blessed for Thorin!
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Woodyend
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Aug 21 2008, 3:42pm
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I'm just so glad they are all getting along and having fun.
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As if you wouldn't in that company. I think Peter and Fran are geniuses at picking out the right people for the right job. The comradely I saw in the EE versions was very evident, with each hammering out the script in their on way. Fran on the floor with her bits of handwritten paper. Philippa at the typewriter. Peter on the couch. So I wonder where Guillermo is?
May your beer be laid under an enchantment of surpassing excellence for seven years!
~~~~~~~~Gandalf~~~~~~~
Listen. Strange women lying in ponds, distributing swords, is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony!
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luvgabe
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Aug 21 2008, 4:21pm
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I too am "pleased & relieved" that del Toro is taking this seriously, so much so as to read "everything" he can get his hands on that was written by Tolkien & others on Middle-earth. Very encouraging news indeed.
"All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us." --Gandalf the Grey
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Woodyend
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Aug 21 2008, 4:29pm
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Did I say typewriter, I meant laptop.
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May your beer be laid under an enchantment of surpassing excellence for seven years!
~~~~~~~~Gandalf~~~~~~~
Listen. Strange women lying in ponds, distributing swords, is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony!
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dernwyn
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Aug 21 2008, 4:35pm
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The faithful servant, the one who kept the Ring-bearer going, who "saw the job through" to the very end regardless of the personal grief. He was also instrumental in coming up with many of the great word plays associated with the Beatles, like "a hard day's night".
Ringo? Yeah, yeah, yeah! 
And it is very pleasing to see GdT immersing himself in Tolkienology. 
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"I desired dragons with a profound desire"
"It struck me last night that you might write a fearfully good romantic drama, with as much of the 'supernatural' as you cared to introduce. Have you ever thought of it?"
-Geoffrey B. Smith, letter to JRR Tolkien, 1915
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Elven
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Aug 21 2008, 4:37pm
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Oh Boy!!
This approach, this investment of diving into Middle-earth and coming back from Tolkiens world with such insight, strengthens my confidence that the Hobbit and F2 will be more than a movie, it will be an extraordinary experience captured on film. I suspect that the writing teams input and Guillermo's direction will change as the filming begins, as it did with the trilogy - and I hope there are some spontaneous interventios taken up along the way - but Im sure the structure being laid down now will build a mighty stories and make 2 mighty films. Im thrilled to pieces ... I loved the Beatles comparison - but visually, I'm getting more like 'ABBA' for that one  Cheers Elven x
Were off to Hobbiton finally!
Tolkien was a Capricorn!!
Russell Crowe for Beorn!!
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Earl
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Aug 21 2008, 4:41pm
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hehehe... that cracked me up ;o //
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Crows and Gibbets! What is The House Of Eorl but a thatched barn where brigands drink in the reek, and their brats roll around on the floor with their dogs! You are but a lesser son of greater Sires.
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Woodyend
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Aug 21 2008, 5:25pm
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Yes I was having a Jessica Fletcher, Murder She Wrote moment.
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May your beer be laid under an enchantment of surpassing excellence for seven years!
~~~~~~~~Gandalf~~~~~~~
Listen. Strange women lying in ponds, distributing swords, is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony!
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Woodyend
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Aug 21 2008, 5:40pm
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I get the feeling with Guillermo....
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most identifying himself with the dwarves, that they will have a snappy repartee and sarcastic wit about themselves. I also think the dialog between the grumpy dwarves, and the somewhat silly elves is going to explosive. 
May your beer be laid under an enchantment of surpassing excellence for seven years!
~~~~~~~~Gandalf~~~~~~~
Listen. Strange women lying in ponds, distributing swords, is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony!
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Kangi Ska
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Aug 21 2008, 8:11pm
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In the Lounge Chair With a Beer
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Sunflower
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Aug 22 2008, 12:58am
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..., colored charcoal and brush in hand, with a handmade sculpture of some sort, of a Mirkwood spider. Already.
Oh yeah, Kangi Ska, and with a sixpack of Tecate.....hehe, I think a lot of NZlanders may discover that stuff, and other favorite Mexican beverages, if they don't know them already!
*arrrghhh* oh to be in that room as a fly on the wall....or a spider.
I am so glad he's reading *everything*. I have to say it, there's stuff he's reading that I know I haven't read. (The last 3 books of HoME, Leaf by Niggle, etc.) I suppose I'd better set aside some time in future to get to the rest of the stuff I haven't finished....I LOVE the whole thought of him discovering this stuff for the first time, I'm glad he's falling in love with all the ancillary stuff, so it isn't just on-the-job-training, so to speak....if you become totally immersed in the world to the extent of being immersed in the sources and legacy as well....it says that the passion for the project, which is just as important as the skill in this case, if not more, will be there. It's great to know that he probably does really rue that infamous Cannes comment now:)
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Kangi Ska
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Aug 22 2008, 1:33am
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The discovery of middle the bounds of Middle Earth is a great joy. (Good beer ain't bad either!) I am sure they will have fun despite the pressure the fans and studio suites put on them. I hope GdT gets to spend a few nights in Bag End (in Peter's back yard) I can see him working at Bilbo's desk. What ya think.
..., colored charcoal and brush in hand, with a handmade sculpture of some sort, of a Mirkwood spider. Already.
Oh yeah, Kangi Ska, and with a sixpack of Tecate.....hehe, I think a lot of NZlanders may discover that stuff, and other favorite Mexican beverages, if they don't know them already!
*arrrghhh* oh to be in that room as a fly on the wall....or a spider.
I am so glad he's reading *everything*. I have to say it, there's stuff he's reading that I know I haven't read. (The last 3 books of HoME, Leaf by Niggle, etc.) I suppose I'd better set aside some time in future to get to the rest of the stuff I haven't finished....I LOVE the whole thought of him discovering this stuff for the first time, I'm glad he's falling in love with all the ancillary stuff, so it isn't just on-the-job-training, so to speak....if you become totally immersed in the world to the extent of being immersed in the sources and legacy as well....it says that the passion for the project, which is just as important as the skill in this case, if not more, will be there. It's great to know that he probably does really rue that infamous Cannes comment now:)
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Aug 22 2008, 1:51am
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As crazy as John could be at times, I just couln't see him as that tortured soul...
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"I desired dragons with a profound desire"
"It struck me last night that you might write a fearfully good romantic drama, with as much of the 'supernatural' as you cared to introduce. Have you ever thought of it?"
-Geoffrey B. Smith, letter to JRR Tolkien, 1915
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Woodyend
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Aug 22 2008, 3:07am
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Oh my, I hadn't thought of that.
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I bet if it hasn't happened already, it will before all this is said and done.
The discovery of middle the bounds of Middle Earth is a great joy. (Good beer ain't bad either!) I am sure they will have fun despite the pressure the fans and studio suites put on them. I hope GdT gets to spend a few nights in Bag End (in Peter's back yard) I can see him working at Bilbo's desk. What ya think.
May your beer be laid under an enchantment of surpassing excellence for seven years!
~~~~~~~~Gandalf~~~~~~~
Listen. Strange women lying in ponds, distributing swords, is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony!
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Aug 22 2008, 5:05am
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Ha, yes, that would be the *perfect* place to write the script to TH! Wouldn't that be inspiring?
I do not suffer from LotR obsession - I enjoy every minute of it.
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AinurOlorin
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Aug 22 2008, 6:32am
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To know that he is reading all the works himself, immersing himself not just in the prior films, but in the entire contintence of source material. I have seen Jackson's take, appreciating its moments of vision, and deploring its moments of shortcoming. Now I am ready to see a different version, one that marries itself to what Jackson did, but one that is not beholden to it or an immitation thereof. The only way for Del Toro to stamp it effectively in a positive way, is for him to familarize himself with the essentials and proceed from that place of strength and earnest truth. Now to see what comes.
"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"
"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."
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maut
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Aug 22 2008, 1:18pm
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OH! I'm really happy with this fact!
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This piece of news really makes me happy!
Certainly GDT was the right choice for the Hobbit!
One Ring to rule them all,
one Ring to find them,
oneRing to bring them all,
and in darkness bind them!
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Naur ann adriat ammin!
I have written Gandalf is here in signs that all can read from Rivendell to the mouths of Anduin.
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Nickey08
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Aug 30 2008, 5:03am
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Anyone see or want to discuss how KICK ASS "HELLBOY 2" is???
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Just got back from seeing "HELLBOY 2" at the Embassy in downtown Wellington - what a droolingly-gorgeous film!!! If this is the type of artistic talent that we can expect, I'm so excited! First off, all the special effects reminded me of the "good old days" of the first 3 Star Wars films (Star Wars, Empire, & Jedi) when it was obvious that the craftspeople were not only proficient at their tasks, but they were having fun too! Sure movies need to make money, but if a Director and his crew isn't having fun, the audience won't either. "The Golden Army" was literally dripping with beautiful detail. I would've given my left arm (because I use my right) to work with this highly-talented crew of artists!
I have a few things that I would like to advise the TORn group et al:
1.) If you haven't yet, go see "Hellboy 2" in a GOOD theater near you. What I mean by "good" is a theater with a decent sound system, because you will want to hear everything from the little nuances to the gigantic blasts that make the theater rumble you can feel it in your fanny!
2.) If there are still people out there that have concerns about GDT's involvement with "The Hobbit" after seeing "Hellboy 2", come see me and I'll personally flog you.
3.) Directed to the good Director: will there be any Sideshow Weta sculptures made for "Hellboy 2"? I have a list of characters, items, and scenes to run past you, if you're interested...
http://www.myspace.com/nickeydrayer
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