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BBC The Lord of the Rings Radio Adaptation Episode 9 A


Aug 5 2008, 5:50am

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BBC The Lord of the Rings Radio Adaptation Episode 9 A Can't Post

Here is my first post for Episode 9. Feel free to respond to my questions, add any of your own or just respond to what you think about this episode.
1. After the discussion that they are not elves because they are not fair to look upon, Sam jumps to the defense again. Is this just Sam being consistent with his character or is Sam becoming more vocal at this point? How has William Nighy shown Sam's growth to this point of the adaptation?

2. What do we learn about Frodo and Sam from their initial encounter with Faramir? Do Sir Ian Holm and William Nighy capture the essence of the characters here?

3. In Letter 180 in the Footnote, Tolkien writes “as far as any character ‘is like me’ it is Faramir.” In listening to this adaptation does this Faramir, as portrayed by Andrew Seear remind you of Tolkien? If he does how? If not, how doesn't he and what is he missing in your opinion? Perhaps the broader question then is which Faramir comes closest to being the most like Tolkien in your opinion and why?

4. Does the mournful note played in the background enhance the re-counting by Faramir of seeing Boromir glide by in the elvish boat? How do you imagine Faramir in your mind? Do the brothers Boromir and Faramir share any traits in common as you reflect back in the adaptation to the time when Boromir was alive?

5. After learning of Boromir’s death, Sir Ian Holm does a masterful job of conveying Frodo’s despair. Does Frodo at this point have any hope left that he will succeed? How is Sir Ian Holm showing Frodo's transformation to this point?

6. Does anyone miss the scene of the Rangers attacking the men of the South and Sam seeing his Oliphaunt? Is there another scene you would have left out to include this one?

Just For Fun:

Do any of these images remind you of Faramir or do you have a different version of him?

On the Side:

I found this interesting link on Faramir visiting Spain . . . . some really beautiful shots. Warning, the pictures take a long time to download even on high speed but are worth it I think.

" . . . (we are ) too engrossed in thinking of everything as a preparation or training or making one fit -- for what? At any minute it is what we are and are doing, not what we plan to be and do that counts."

J.R.R. Tolkien in his 6 October 1940 letter to his son Michael Tolkien.

Come over to the LOTR Movie Thread and discuss the 1981 BBC Adaptation of the LOTR.

(This post was edited by ArathornJax on Aug 5 2008, 5:55am)


Aug 7 2008, 9:26pm

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Just had to say this. [In reply to] Can't Post

For a person who has not heard the BBC adaptation, these posts are still so interesting to me. I have saved them and will refer to them when I do finally listen to this. I have asked for the recordins as a gift, the family knowing anything Tolkien is my thing, and hope to listen to it with the hubby when we do finally have it. We are so excited to get to this. My annual (well, usually more than annual) reading of LOTR, which I start on the Baggins' Boys' birthday, will, hopefully be this.
Now, having said all that, I want to thank you for these great questions and your others, too. I can't wait to hear "Frodo's despair" in Ian's voice, and Bill Nighy's take on Sam - everyone praises these folk so heartily.
Ooh, it's hard to wait.
Thanks, ArathornJ, for all this hard work!

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Aug 9 2008, 12:15pm

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I started responding to this post THREE SEPARATE TIMES before I could finally finish! I'm determined to get this in even if the g'kiddies fall on the floor by my chair from hunger before giving up this time.

*cracks knuckles*

Now... from my notes as I listened to this DELIGHTFUL segment:

I wanted to mention that before, when Frodo was reciting his poem to Sam, I was taken aback at how light he was, but as he kept going and softened… becoming more reflective… he had me in tears by the end.

When Frodo told Faramir that Boromir bore a horn… and that soft horn began to play… it teared up so fast, I had trouble seeing. What a surprising effect! Now that I read your note that Tolkien feels that he is the most like Faramir, I can understand why it was so moving. Seear is absolutely brilliant as Faramir.

I have to say, I'm so delighted to hear such a complete episode with Faramir, Frodo and Sam!!! This is one of my favourite parts of all the whole story; and to hear them live the story with perfect inflections, emotions and humour is a complete delight to me! The chime of the Ring as Faramir realizes the Ring has come within his grasp builds the tension! This exchange, Sam's panic, and Frodo's release afterwards was wonderfully accurate to what I feel when I read. Nighy's Sam has me in love with that character all the more. I was in tears by the end.

Thanks ooodles, ArathornJax! :D


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Aug 12 2008, 2:35am

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Hob, glad you are enjoying everyone's contributions to the adaptation. You will truly enjoy these when you get them. I know when I need an escape from this world, I put the CD in or put the iPod on and I am taken away. They'll make a wonderful present.

" . . . (we are ) too engrossed in thinking of everything as a preparation or training or making one fit -- for what? At any minute it is what we are and are doing, not what we plan to be and do that counts."

J.R.R. Tolkien in his 6 October 1940 letter to his son Michael Tolkien.

Come over to the LOTR Movie Thread and discuss the 1981 BBC Adaptation of the LOTR.

Tol Eressea

Aug 13 2008, 8:21pm

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Sam is in the transition period [In reply to] Can't Post

He is stepping out of the shadows and becoming Frodo's protector, which has resulted in him becoming more vocal. He'll not hear a bad word said about his master, it makes him quite fierce! I really love Bill Nighy's Sam, he couldn't be more perfect.

It would've been nice to have Sam and the Oliphaunt included, just because, for me, it is such a wonderful moment in the books. Elves and Oliphaunts is what Sam wanted to see, and the joy he expresses at seeing them both is so apparant.

Boromir and Faramir are similar in voice, they both have a very regal quality about them. To me though, Faramir seems a little more wise, and less rash than his older brother.

I loved the obvious fear in Frodo's voice when he learns of Boromir's death. He fears he has lost his friends. He fears he has little chance of succeeding.

Thanks for the more relaxed pace AJ, I for one really appreiciate it. Smile

*Jazminatar the Brown*


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