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DiveTwin
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Jul 15 2008, 10:31pm
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Gandalf Defeated The Spanish Armada?
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OK, this is either really sad ... or Peter Jackson did one heck of a job giving "Lord Of The Rings" even more of a historical feel that he intended.
An article in the Newcastle (UK) Journal talks about the complaints on how little British kids know about the world is a bit overblown, but then they said:
It may be slightly worrying that in one recent poll fewer than half those questioned knew that Sir Francis Drake defeated the Spanish Armada.
And, okay, it’s frankly terrifying that 6% of those questioned thought that this great historical victory was down to the wizard Gandalf from Lord of the Rings.
So I suppose the Corsairs sailing up the Anduin had a Spanish feel to them ....
The article is here:
http://www.nebusiness.co.uk/...rked-51140-21314939/
"Do not come between the Nazgul and his prey"
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L. Ron Halfelven
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Jul 16 2008, 12:02am
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Shadowfax, show us the meaning of haste, once I've finished this game of bowls./
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Far he journeyed in that ship, even into the starless voids; but most often was he seen at morning or at evening, glimmering in sunrise or sunset, as he came back to Valinor from voyages beyond the confines of the world.
More pictures here.
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SmeagoloftheStoors
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Jul 16 2008, 12:21am
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Hmm... and all this time I thought it was the Cat in the Hat.//
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Eglario Valar!
It's me!
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Morthoron
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Jul 16 2008, 1:00am
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It is a little known fact that, under the name Gandalfo Vespucci, the Istar sailed on the same ship with Sir Francis Drake. Errol Flynn was in on the action as well.
THE EARL OF SANDWICH: "Egad, sir, I do not know whether you will die on the gallows or of the pox!"
JOHN WILKES: That will depend, my Lord, on whether I embrace your principles or your mistress."
John Wilkes (1727-1797)
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Jul 16 2008, 3:03am
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Hey, could this be the plot for Film 2?
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I mean, think about it...
GDT at the helm...he can talk Spanish...
Viggo did that Alatriste film, where he brushed up on his Spanish...
And then there was Cate Blanchett playing Queen Elizabeth who fought the Spanish...
Coincidence? I think not...
Weaver
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Jul 16 2008, 4:03am
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Creative answers are a wonderful thing. Correct answers are boring//
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Fear is a bad habit. Despair is lazy. Evil is boring.
The universe is friendly. Life is on your side.
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Silverlode
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Jul 16 2008, 6:03am
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So...was Gandalf one of the offered choices?
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Or was he a write-in?
Because if I saw Gandalf on the list, the temptation would be something terrible.
Silverlode
"Of all faces those of our familiares are the ones both most difficult to play fantastic tricks with, and most difficult really to see with fresh attention. They have become like the things which once attracted us by their glitter, or their colour, or their shape, and we laid hands on them, and then locked them in our hoard, acquired them, and acquiring ceased to look at them.
Creative fantasy, because it is mainly trying to do something else [make something new], may open your hoard and let all the locked things fly away like cage-birds. The gems all turn into flowers or flames, and you will be warned that all you had (or knew) was dangerous and potent, not really effectively chained, free and wild; no more yours than they were you." -On Fairy Stories
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Ainu Laire
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Jul 16 2008, 7:00am
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And, I will admit, I have a devious mind and would very much like to mess the numbers up by selecting "Gandalf". :D
My LJ
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NARF since age 8, when I refused to read the Hobbit because the cover looked boring and icky.
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greenthread
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Jul 16 2008, 3:21pm
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My four year old daughter thinks the Pope is "White Gandalf!"
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Zahra
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Jul 16 2008, 3:29pm
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Anybody noticed that the author for the aricle is named "Peter Jackson"? Some days, it just falls into your lap.
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Elberbeth
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Jul 16 2008, 3:37pm
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Doesn't this all relate to the fact that young people
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read a lot less than previous generations? I think I know a lot of stuff I was not ever taught, but picked up from reading everything I could. I'm not sure we should blame people for not learning things they haven't been taught, but I suppose we could expect people to want to learn about more things they don't know about.
Okay, that was incoherent, but I'm sure you get what I mean.
"There are some things that it is better to begin than to refuse, even though the end may be dark."
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Elven
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Jul 16 2008, 4:00pm
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Im sure Sir Ian would get a chuckle out of that! I did :-D //
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Were off to Hobbiton finally!
Tolkien was a Capricorn!!
Russell Crowe for Beorn!!
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StillCrazy
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Jul 16 2008, 4:06pm
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It just goes to show that Americans aren't the only ones who get this stuff messed up.
I love it, totally love it. But what about Merlin?
Merlin: Well I guess I better get busy setting up for the Spanish Armada
Gandalf: Got it covered.
Merlin: No fair, you get all the good jobs. 
All the worlds a stage.
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Egladhon
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Jul 16 2008, 4:18pm
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Just how old are these "young" people of which the article is speaking? If these are ten and under, that's one thing. The Winston Churchhill bit is hard to believe, although I've seen UK polls saying approximately 11% of people under 20 thought him a fictional character.
Signed,
Egladhon, Ranger of Dunland
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Menelwyn
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Jul 16 2008, 4:49pm
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If Gandalf was offered as a choice, I too would be tempted, although I'd probably put the correct answer. But I know a lot of young people who really would put Gandalf just because it would be funny.
And you almost have to think that Gandalf was listed as a choice--would that many random people actually choose the same goofy or wrong answer as a write-in? As opposed to, say, Harry Potter, or Jack Sparrow, or Darth Vader? There would be a larger spread in goofy write-in choices.
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Sunflower
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Jul 16 2008, 6:13pm
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I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
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11% of all British kids think Churchill was fictional. I mean...my God...I don't even think we Americans can top that one. How many kids would think Lincoln or Wilson or FDR was fiction. Well, Wilson maybe. You go far enough back in history...but really.
They MUST have offered Gandalf as a choice. Somebody ouught to contact the author of the article and ask for a follow-up...this is just too good to believe.
Can't wait to hear what Ian puts up on his website about this!
And Greenthread, that is just *too adorable*.
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Jazmine
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Jul 16 2008, 8:09pm
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So, Mr Del Toro, if you're listening, weaver may have just solved all your F2 plot problems! 
*Jazminatar the Brown*
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FarFromHome
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Jul 16 2008, 8:57pm
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Anybody here remember 1066 And All That?
...and the sails were drawn up, and the wind blew,
and slowly the ship slipped away down the long grey firth;
and the light of the glass of Galadriel that Frodo bore
glimmered and was lost.
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FarFromHome
Valinor
Jul 16 2008, 9:30pm
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I like the bit about the Saxons
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Memorable among the Saxon warriors were Hengist and his wife (?or horse), Horsa. Hengist made himself King in the South. Thus Hengist was the first English King and his wife (or horse), Horsa, the first English Queen (or horse). The country was now almost entirely inhabited by Saxons and was therefore renamed England, and thus (naturally) soon became C. of E. This was a Good Thing, because previously the Saxons had worshipped some dreadful gods of their own called Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday and Saturday.
In fact, I can't read the "Fallohide brothers Marcho and Blanco" bit in the LotR Prologue without remembering the wife (? or horse) in 1066....
...and the sails were drawn up, and the wind blew,
and slowly the ship slipped away down the long grey firth;
and the light of the glass of Galadriel that Frodo bore
glimmered and was lost.
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Hengist
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Jul 17 2008, 2:19pm
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I have never married a horse. And no I don't hang around stables either. 
Disclaimer: Anything said in an admin capacity is subject to change dependent on how loud Altaira yells at me........
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