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vtboyarc
Lorien
Jun 20 2008, 3:39pm
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*MISC 06/20/08* - Zirak-Zigil
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I know this is a bit early, but I will be away from my computer tomorrow.
So, people seemed to liked the Balrog vs Gandalf in Moria last time, so I thought it might be nice to continue the battle between these 2 mighty Maiar.
1. Fighting at the top of Zirak-Zigil
2. Gandalf gets ready to blast the Balrog....
3. ...bam! Talk about powerful light! I know in the last MISC I did there was talk of Gandalfs little white light, and here we see it again, ultimately triumphant
4. The Balrog falls of Zirak-Zigil. KIA
5. Now this picture, I think, is perhaps the most interesting. In the same shot, we see both the Balrog and Gandalf lying dead. Or is Gandalf considered to be dead at this point? And who do you think was victorious? I think the answer to that last question is obvious in the next picture...
....Gandalf! "But you fell!" - Aragorn
But still, back to picture 5, what do you think about that image, the two Maiar seen lying dead? Do you think Gandalf should be considered dead at that point? What do you think about Gandalfs coming back to life process? Like, how does that work? Him being sent back?
Well I hope you all enjoy this MISC, it was fun doing it, and I hope to do it again sometime!
Theres some good in this world, Mr. Frodo, and its worth fighting for.
(This post was edited by vtboyarc on Jun 20 2008, 3:41pm)
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Elberbeth
Tol Eressea
Jun 20 2008, 3:59pm
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I've never quite decided which camp I'm in. In the first image, there is a lot of smoke and shadow, no apparent physical wings. But in the penultimate image, it certainly looks like wings in the snow, or at least the pattern of wings as in a snow angel, almost.
"There are some things that it is better to begin than to refuse, even though the end may be dark."
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grammaboodawg
Immortal
Jun 20 2008, 4:43pm
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Look at the detail of that high battlement! I've always seen that spot of Gandalf raising his sword as a moment of receiving a bolt of lightening charge that defeats the Balrog with the extra potency. Gandalf has, I'm sure, already smited him several times. This was the wielder of the flame of Arnor shifting into High gear, so to speak ;)
It's hard to see in the following shot of the Balrog down and Gandalf lying on the snow, but you can see the imprint of the Balrog where it fell onto Gandalf.
I love having the chance to see this battle where it's only been narrated to us in the book (like the storming of Isengard).
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Elberbeth
Tol Eressea
Jun 20 2008, 5:39pm
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"There are some things that it is better to begin than to refuse, even though the end may be dark."
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Laerasėa
Tol Eressea
Jun 20 2008, 6:16pm
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I always thought you get a kind of glimpse into Tolkien's other works in this scene. You see Zirak-Zigil, which has not been mentioned, and won't be mentioned again, you get as close to "Eru" as you're ever going to in the films, you see Gandalf use his "wizardly" knowledge to defeat a creature that is pretty much his equal- this is kind of the only point in the movie that very quickly delves into something that movie-watchers only won't see again. (even Valinor is mentioned a few times, you see Elves leaving a lot, you see Cirdan and the boat).
I always thought that Gandalf got sent back because with Saruman's corruption, the "white wizard" does not exist, and there needs to be a new one if that makes sense.
Great SCOTD!! 
thanks!
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One Ringer
Tol Eressea
Jun 21 2008, 3:53pm
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"I've been sent back, until my task is done"
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I like that image of Gandalf and the Balrog both lying dead. I think this moment was really a test for Gandalf. Sort of, this is what he needed to do to gain the powers of his superiors (i.e. Saruman). I think by defeating the Balrog, he proved worthy, however, having been killed, he was only sent back until piece was regained in Middle-Earth (i.e. the defeat of Sauron).
Also, I love the way that the flames of the Balrog distinguish as he falls to his doom. It's a nice touch.
Great MISC vtboyarc! 
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sador
Half-elven
Jun 22 2008, 9:25pm
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That blast reminded me of a scene in the book
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There was a roar and a crackle, and the tree above him burst into a leaf and a bloom of blinding flame. The fire leapt from tree-top to tree-top. The whole hill was crowned with dazzling light. The swords and knives of the defenders shone and flickered. The last arrow of Legolas kindled in the air. and plunged burning into the heart of a great wolf-chieftain. All the others fled. From 'A Journey in the Dark', not very far from Zirak-Zigil.
Does it seem familiar to anyone else?
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Artanis
Rohan
Jun 24 2008, 9:51am
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liked some of the shots you chose. It is good to study them in detail, as this part of the film is so thrilling and rushes by so fast, you are on the edge of your seat when watching (I am anyway!!!)
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Reading: Unfinished Tales -Tolkien, The Princess and Curdie - G. Macdonald, Father Brown Selected Stories - G.K. Chesterton
Listening: LOTR Trilogy Soundrack, The Silmarillion Crowded House - Wood Face.
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weaver
Half-elven
Jun 24 2008, 2:18pm
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Try saying that three times fast...
I'm late but I wanted to say thanks for nice treat -- that's a great sequence and posted the best shots from it.
I liked that the films showed us this battle, and that we got it in bits and pieces -- the "fall" at the start of TTT, and then the final moment of the fight and its aftermath. With Gandalf narrating it, too, we get a bit of the same sense of the books with him "telling" it to the rest of the Three Hunters. This is a case where they really did a great job of adapting a key book moment in a way that worked very well on film.
Weaver
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