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Interesting linguistic coincidence I noted in The Hobbit...

stridersGIRL
Bree

Mar 16 2007, 8:55pm

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Interesting linguistic coincidence I noted in The Hobbit... Can't Post

Thorin's friend who comes to his aid in the Battle of Five Armies is named Dain, who is the son of Nain. "Nain," in French, means "dwarf." wooo. :D


Alcarcalime
Tol Eressea


Mar 17 2007, 12:41am

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How interesting! (n/t) [In reply to] Can't Post

 


a.s.
Valinor


Mar 17 2007, 1:21am

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coincidence? [In reply to] Can't Post

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I know the name "Nain" comes from the list of dwarves in the Poetic Edda from which Tolkien borrowed the dwarf names as well as the name "Gandalf".

What's the etymology of "nain"? I don't speak enough French to know. Is the "na" part related to "little" or "tiny" like nano? Or to "child" like nino or ninno? I bet somewhere "nain" is related to words that mean "little".

~~~~~wait!! holy moly! just looked this up on Google (shoulda started there!!) and searched for "nano etymology" and found:

Greek nanos (with long "a"), nannos, little old man, dwarf, from nannas, meaning uncle.

OK, having arrived at some point or other I remain unsure of where I am and even if it means anything.

But you're right: it's cool!

a.s.





"an seileachan"

Everybody's wondering what and where they all came from.
Everybody's worried 'bout where they're gonna go when the whole thing's done.
No one knows for certain, and so it's all the same to me:
I think I'll just let the mystery be.
~~~~Iris DeMent


Pallando
Lorien


Mar 17 2007, 1:22am

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The old Guy (capital G in reverence) never missed a trick, did he? [In reply to] Can't Post


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Thorin's friend who comes to his aid in the Battle of Five Armies is named Dain, who is the son of Nain. "Nain," in French, means "dwarf." wooo. :D



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Bowsniper
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Mar 17 2007, 2:47am

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Nay, he did not :) [In reply to] Can't Post

I started to crack open the 12th volume of Christopher's History... it's the only one I have left. It deals mostly with the languages, peoples, the appendices to ROTK, and the prologue to LOTR.

I've already put it aside again... I have too much going on in life right now to give the book the scholarly attention it needs; but before I did, I was stunned by how the depth of thought he was putting into his "translation" of the Westron (Common Speech), having "chosen" English as the language to represent it as....

The methodology that he gives for his choices of name places and people places, to try to convey the same sense in English that the original "Hobbit version of the Common Speech" did.... it reads for all the world like he really had discovered his own "Great Sea Scrolls" covered with real Westron, Quenya, Telerin, et al. It's fascinating.


Altaira
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Mar 17 2007, 3:05am

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Welcome to TORn, Bowsniper [In reply to] Can't Post

If only I had a nickel for every time I've cracked open any volume of HOME, then set it aside. Crazy

No. 12 sounds fascinating, and I hope you get back to it in due time. In the mean time, welcome! Smile


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Altaira
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Mar 17 2007, 3:07am

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Nice find, StridersGIRL! [In reply to] Can't Post

...and even nicer to see you here!!! Smile

Glad you made it! Laugh


Koru: Maori symbol representing a fern frond as it opens. The koru reaches towards the light, striving for perfection, encouraging new, positive beginnings.



"All we have to decide is what to do with the boards that are given to us"



"I take a moment to fervently hope that the camaradarie and just plain old fun I found at TORn will never end" -- LOTR_nutcase

TORn Calendar


Bowsniper
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Mar 17 2007, 3:46am

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Thanks for the welcome... [In reply to] Can't Post

However, I am a returning to TORN after a long journey in the Wild... Cool

I did not frequent the forums, but wielded my weapons over at Barliman's for quite awhile, until life became too consuming to allow a full time chat.

But I missed this place, and forums are much more life-friendly, to some degree :) Of course, Mrs. Bowsniper would say I need another forum like I need a hole in my head... but to that I say... "But dear... it's Tolkien stuff!" Smile


(This post was edited by Bowsniper on Mar 17 2007, 3:47am)


Pallando
Lorien


Mar 23 2007, 11:05pm

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So he's really a frog. [In reply to] Can't Post


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Thorin's friend who comes to his aid in the Battle of Five Armies is named Dain, who is the son of Nain. "Nain," in French, means "dwarf." wooo. :D



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For I also am a steward. Did you not know?


SandWitch King
Rohan


Mar 25 2007, 6:32am

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Well done [In reply to] Can't Post

That was great to not look up myself and still enjoy. Thanks!

No wonder all writers want to direct: one still has to put up with a load of nonsense, but even if wearing two hats (writer and director), there is one under which one is not called a thief and then raped.

 
 

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