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ShadoFaxs
Rivendell

Jun 3 2008, 10:34am

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Darn, and I was so looking forward to... [In reply to] Can't Post

...the flood of furious, frantic posts lamenting Guillermo Hellboy, the comic book director getting his bloody mits on The Precious. I can imagine even now the screams of protest decrying neon hues in Mirkwood. After all, the two movies are sooooo much alike, no?.What the heck was PJ thinking??!!

Well - really! I mean, it's been nearly ten years since us old timers were fielding protestations of horror over Peter "Braindead" Jackson lensing LOTR. Dude, there were only twenty-six of us Americans had even seen Heavenly Creatures. We may never get this much amusement again!! And you're trying to forestall the fun? Smile

Seriously, that was quite the pre-emptive strike. It's always a pleasure and a privelege to hear from a film's creator. We're thrilled and delighted to receive every little nugget of information you choose to share with us. We hang on your every word. Wooden puppets - OOH LA! I'm drooling in anticipation. I really am. My favorite GDT films are Devil's Backbone and Pan's, but wild horses couldn't keep from HB2.

If The Hobbit association doesn't bring Hellboy2 at least another $80 million just through curiosity, I will be the most surprised fangirl in Hendricks County USA.

I've seen your every movie starting with Cronos. I know you've got much more than just comics inside your head. In fact, as an old art student, I'm constantly amazed by your frame of reference. Your notebooks are - fabulous.

I can't wait to be surprised by HB2, and I want to be surprised by The Hobbit. I don't know exactly what we're gonna get, except that, with a trusted team at the helm, it is going to be wonderful. Of course I love the Middle Earth created by PJ and team Weta. All I can tell you is that I don't expect ME to look like the Hellboy universe - or The Devil's Backbone. Viva la difference!

Go promote the heck out of HB2 _ I'm sure it will be a great success. And thank you for posting.


grammaboodawg
Immortal


Jun 3 2008, 2:31pm

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I think this is for you!!! *squeeeeeee*

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Annael
Half-elven


Jun 3 2008, 2:31pm

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I have often wondered why people (the press, moviegoers, Hollywood) want so desperately to classify and label artists. Why is it assumed that these great talents can only do one thing?


For the same reason people stereotype others, I imagine: laziness. It's so much easier to label someone and assume you therefore know all about them than to take the time to get to know & understand them. For example, if you couldn't label someone's religion or politics, think of how much time it would take to get a handle on what they thought or believed! And if you were a Hollywood "suit" looking only to repeat a successful formula, you wouldn't be looking for the new & innovative.

I'm excited about Hellboy II. I was never a comics person before, but others on this board - MrCere in particular - have taught me to love graphic novels and the movies that reflect them.

The most that we can do for one another
Is let our blunders and our blind mischances
Argue a certain brusque abrupt compassion

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grammaboodawg
Immortal


Jun 3 2008, 2:42pm

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My one regret [In reply to] Can't Post

is that I didn't see Hellboy 1 at the theatre. Some films are "meant" to live on the big screen, and HB1 was definitely that! It has become one of my companions when I'm doing extensive work on the computer (TORn-related, of course ;), and I still delight in so many of the parts, I'm afraid I end up distracted and 20 minutes later realize I've gotten nothing done! I can't wait to see HB2!! Your description has me intrigued. I'll have to take the day off of work and be in line as soon as it hits the theatres!

Just as I have not transferred Peter Jackson's previous works into The Lord of the Rings, I have no problem with your presentation of The Hobbit as a stand-alone piece (as well as Film2); but your sensitivity to fore-warn us makes me smile. I can't image the anticipation your must be going through as you complete the flurry of work finishing HB2 and prepare to relocate (avoiding the dratted frequent-flying) and dive headlong into this world. How exciting! I'm so thrilled that we're able to communicate and share this with you... and you with us. This is going to be quite an adventure!



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Voorhas
Lorien


Jun 3 2008, 3:35pm

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Thanks very much for the response...I've read some of Smith's "Tales of Zothique" (he had such a flair for names, like Tolkien really) and loved them. It's criminal that you can't walk into a bookstore and buy a deluxe leather-bound edition of that stuff.

Breaking into early (pulp!) fantasy is like setting off an avalanche: a reader might start with Lovecraft, which leads to Dunsany, which leads to Machen, which leads to weird things like The Worm Ouroboros or The House on the Borderlands. That's what happened to me, anyway. So many of those books and authors are neglected or forgotten...but it's such a thrill to discover an 80-year-old story that can thrill, enchant, or terrify. Like finding buried treasure, in a way.

It's also interesting to me that authors like Tolkien didn't exactly exist in a vacuum...apart from his scholarly and linguistic influences, he admitting to "rather liking" Howard's Conan stories (in an interview with L. Sprague de Camp). There was a fantasy tradition that he was aware of, and familiar with to some degree.

"They who dream by day are cognizant of many things which escape those who dream only by night." -- E.A. Poe

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Voorhas
Lorien


Jun 3 2008, 3:37pm

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"They who dream by day are cognizant of many things which escape those who dream only by night." -- E.A. Poe


deej
Tol Eressea


Jun 3 2008, 5:01pm

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I just watched 'Cronos'. [In reply to] Can't Post

It is a gorgeous film! I don't know that I would catagorize it with typical vampire films, but if you do like those movies and want to see something a little different then I think you would enjoy it a lot. Plus, Ron Perlman is in it, which is never a bad thing!


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deej
Tol Eressea


Jun 3 2008, 5:09pm

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Mike Mignola's graphic novels [In reply to] Can't Post

I would highly recommend anyone that enjoyed the first 'Helboy' film and is going to see 'Hellboy 2' check out the graphic novels by Mike Mignola. They are a lot of fun to read, and to me are like a cross between old 50's pulp novels and Saturday afternoon 'Creature Features'. There is also a spin-off comic called 'B.P.R.D', (Bureau of Paranormal Research and Development) which is a lot of fun to read.


"...and back again."



deej
Tol Eressea


Jun 3 2008, 5:16pm

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Stephen King is a good example [In reply to] Can't Post

He started out writing "horror" novels, but has gone on to write some really wonderful non-genre stories like 'Rita Hayworth and the Shawshank Redemption' , 'The Body' (made into the film 'Stand by Me'), and 'Dolores Clayborne'. As popular as he may be, I don't think he'll ever be taken seriously by the literary community because of the 'horror' tag. Which is a shame.


"...and back again."



Darkstone
Immortal


Jun 3 2008, 5:34pm

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Yes [In reply to] Can't Post

A lot of writers will use pseudonyms for their "non-standard" work so that it may be judged on its own merits.

However, it's a double-edged sword. Stephen King's own experiment with his Richard Bachman books revealed that indeed a well-know author's name on a book will sell ten times more copies than the exact same book published under the name of an unknown writer.

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The audacious proposal stirred his heart. And the stirring became a song, and it mingled with the songs of Gil-galad and Celebrian, and with those of Feanor and Fingon. The song-weaving created a larger song, and then another, until suddenly it was as if a long forgotten memory woke and for one breathtaking moment the Music of the Ainur revealed itself in all glory. He opened his lips to sing and share this song. Then he realized that the others would not understand. Not even Mithrandir given his current state of mind. So he smiled and simply said "A diversion.”



Bilbo the Rover
The Shire


Jun 3 2008, 5:52pm

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In Fan Boy Heaven ! [In reply to] Can't Post

Let see, I've been a devotee of "The Hobbit" since I first read it in 1975, a fan of Hellboy since the beginning AND Guillermo's movies ! When I found out he was going to direct the first Hellboy movie I was ecstatic ! He was my ONLY choice after Peter and Fran to direct the Hobbit and now that it's come to fruition ...what can I say ! I'm busting ! to have Hellboy II coming out in July is the cherry on top ! So much to look forward to ! Thank you Guillermo !

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MrCere
Sr. Staff


Jun 3 2008, 9:25pm

Post #37 of 68 (531 views)
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Nice fresh take GMa {NT} [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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One Ringer
Tol Eressea


Jun 3 2008, 9:59pm

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That's good ot hear . . . [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm glad to hear this. As great as Pan's Labyrinth and Hellboy are, the style wouldn't work for The Hobbit. Besides, I kind of figured you would have a different style. Thanks for the confirmation! Smile

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Dúnedain
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Jun 3 2008, 10:25pm

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I think its all well and good that Hellboy wants to protect the humans, but since I'm a Lovecraftian misanthrope, maybe the fairies would do a better job with keeping the world in order than our resource guzzling, environmentally destructive kin.


Oh Lord.



merklynn
Lorien


Jun 3 2008, 10:58pm

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Guillermo
Rivendell

Jun 3 2008, 11:47pm

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Funny- [In reply to] Can't Post

I adore Pulp Horror, Wandrei, Seabury Quinn etc and I agree, they led me to Machen, Blackwood, WHHodgson, Dunsany, Oscar Wilde, Victor Hugo, Dickens, Borges, Gombrowicz, Rulfo, Yanez, Quiroga, Stevenson, etc and those in turn to the rest of my mushrooming shelves... Just in the way Kirby, Wrightson, Corben, Moebius will then lead you to Hogarth, Wyeth, Parrish and then Bacon, Bocklin, Redon, Rops, etc

reaidng or loving art should be joyful arts and the inroads through genre are the most glorious to experience...

Best

GDT


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Bilbo the Rover
The Shire


Jun 3 2008, 11:53pm

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I always looked at "The Hobbit" as a journey into a dark fairy tale, there is true horror to be found in those pages, giant spiders, a werebear and to top it off a DRAGON ! Am I alone in this ? Where as LOTR was the "Iliad" ...the Hobbit is the "Odyssey". I never worry that GDT's style and vision will be the same for every movie he directs, I am so excited to see his vision for Middle Earth !

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bowencm
Rivendell

Jun 4 2008, 2:03am

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Class Act... [In reply to] Can't Post

What a class act giving folks a head's up regarding the texture of the upcoming HellBoy II film...we all appreciate the frequency at which you touch base...I feel like we're all apart of the process now! Thanks GDT! :-)


merklynn
Lorien


Jun 4 2008, 2:39am

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You're not alone... [In reply to] Can't Post

The Riddles in the Dark is going to be the key scene I think in terms of creepiness. I always found that the most disturbing scene, because unlike giant spiders, dragons, wolves, and goblins, being ALONE in the dark cave with a twisted cannibal lurking just inches away is pretty damn intimately terrifying. Hearing Gollum speak through a choked voice in a mixture of poetry and gibberish as he debates over eating you and talks about his "preciousss". Trying desperately to get out of this doomed situation of claustropbia while being one on one with something half unseen yet psychotic. This is a creepy creepy scene, for me more so than any other. And I think it fits Guillermo tastes and sensitivies perfectly. Yes, The Hobbit could work as light, or as dark, and if they walk the dark path then it must still retain its light through Bilbo. My preferences is definitely for dark. And I'm quite happy with PG 13.


ArathornJax
Lorien


Jun 4 2008, 2:40am

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Creativity and Uniqueness [In reply to] Can't Post

With any artist I think you may see some common elements, but the goal is for its creation to be unique to itself. Why else would anyone want to create something with each movie (or with music, painting etc)? The public would tire of a repetitive performance and where is the fun in that for the director/creator (and I know that the great JRR Tolkien is the creator, but in this sense I mean the creator of this movie adaptation)? There is none. So anyone who says that HB, HBII and Pans sets something for The Hobbit does not understand the process or motivation behind creative works in my opinion, and the goal of that movie/project being unique. I look forward to seeing GDT's adaptation of The Hobbit and am excited because of the depth of his creativity which is evident from his past projects. That is what excites me about having him on board. Again, his creative genius gives me great confidence in the final product which I know will be a unique item to itself.

" . . . (we are ) too engrossed in thinking of everything as a preparation or training or making one fit -- for what? At any minute it is what we are and are doing, not what we plan to be and do that counts."

J.R.R. Tolkien in his 6 October 1940 letter to his son Michael Tolkien.




merklynn
Lorien


Jun 4 2008, 2:50am

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ArathornJax
Lorien


Jun 4 2008, 3:50am

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Depends [In reply to] Can't Post

does he have the depth of creativity needed to make this film unique and to put his own mark on it, while tying it with the Trilogy? IMHO we have the director and visionary we need.

" . . . (we are ) too engrossed in thinking of everything as a preparation or training or making one fit -- for what? At any minute it is what we are and are doing, not what we plan to be and do that counts."

J.R.R. Tolkien in his 6 October 1940 letter to his son Michael Tolkien.




Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Jun 4 2008, 3:54am

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"Does that mean that Sam Raimi might have been good for TH despite his resume?"

I do not understand your leap to this in response to what ArathornJax stated.
Could you elaborateplease.

Kangi Ska


Kelvarhin
Half-elven


Jun 4 2008, 5:05am

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Hmm tough choice Merklynn [In reply to] Can't Post

*one hand* Sex and the City *other hand* Hell-boy II No comp I'd go to Hell-boy II too LOL

Agree with your other points too btw Wink

*hugs* Kelvarhin


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Yet happy and gay
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MrCere
Sr. Staff


Jun 4 2008, 5:21am

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I would love to see Raimi's "Hobbit" [In reply to] Can't Post

I will love seeing GDT's but if it were up to me there would be two separate Hobbit productions and I would love to see what Raimi brings. Each vision would be unique.

I have no choice but to believe in free will.

The cake is a lie
The cake is a lie
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