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GreenHillFox
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Jan 6, 5:46pm
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What about that ”Greenhanded”?
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I have a printed and a digital version of LotR.
In the electronic version (which is from HarperCollinsPublishers 2005, based on the reset edition first published 2002) the following entries appear in its index:
• Erling, son of Holman ‘the greenhanded’
• Hending, son of Holman ‘the greenhanded’
• Holman ‘the greenhanded’
• Rose, daughter of Holman ‘the greenhanded’
The book version is by the same publishers but dated 1997, based on the reset edition first published 1994. In that index none of these entries appear.
By Holman is meant the gardener at Bag End before the Gaffer, or at least I suppose so. But who were Helding, Erling and Rose? Was Bilbo’s former gardener really the “Greenhanded”, or I am confused…?
It is strange also to put these three names in an index when the actual text never mentions them, and also that these names appear long after the professor’s death.
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Silvered-glass
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Jan 7, 11:47am
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The 50th Anniversary Edition has a lot of unnecessary and even detrimental changes for the sake of having changes. The problem the publishers were having was that the copyright for the Second Edition was threatening to run out in New Zealand, and so they needed a "new and improved" edition that could be sold to the fans as the only proper version. However the Second Edition was simply too good and error-free, so that a whole lot of imaginary problems needed to be "fixed" to make the new edition sufficiently different from the old one to justify restarting the copyright.
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Then the copyright terms ended up extended in New Zealand too, with the end result that now all new LotR copies being sold in English are the bad new versions.
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Kimi
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Jan 8, 3:41am
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in Appendix C of LOTR lists "Holman, the greenhanded, of Hobbiton", born 1210 SR, and his children Rowan, Halfred, Erling, Hending and Rose. Halfred's son was Holman Greenhand .
In "A Long-Expected Party", the Gaffer reminisces that at the time of Bilbo's return from his adventure "I'd not long come prentice to old Holman (him being my dad's cousin), but he had me up at Bag End helping him to keep folks from trampling and trapessing all over the garden while the sale was on. And in the middle of it all Mr. Bilbo comes up the Hill with a pony and some mighty big bags and a couple of chests."
While he calls him "old Holman", this must refer to Holman Greenhand, born 1292, and a similar age to the Gaffer's father (born 1285).
Rose daughter of Holman senior married "Cotman", and eventually became Rose Cotton's great-grandmother, so Sam and Rosie are 3rd cousins.
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GreenHillFox
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Jan 8, 8:38am
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Thanks for the explanations - it is clear now. 
These family trees appeared in both versions. So the later one merely completed the index.
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