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OldestDaughter
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Feb 13, 4:07pm
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Yep, the official Rings of Power Instagram page
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posted it this morning.
Says it will take place years after season 2, during the War of Elves and Sauron. I just went on Tolkien Gateway to get a refresher on that war and it takes place right after the events of the Fall of Eregion, so I'm really excited.
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DwellerInDale
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Feb 13, 5:16pm
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The time jump adds credence to the speculation that Durin and Disa's children (Gerda and Gamli) are being cast by the Theo Park agency. The casting call was for "two young Scottish actors" to play dual heritage characters, one Caucasian parent and one Black parent, ideally with authentic Scottish accents. Since this notice appeared a week or so ago, the only doubt was that the call asked for ages 17 and 15, meaning that this was either not a casting for ROP, or that season 3 was going to introduce a time jump of at least several years.
The time jump makes sense- we would rather see Rivendell already complete than slow the story by having it being built.
https://www.instagram.com/theoparkcasting/p/DBqwXzhoeAS/
Don't mess with my favorite female elves.
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DGHCaretaker
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Feb 13, 5:33pm
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It seems I was off on my prediction by four days.
So close to the Superbowel [sic], they missed a big opportunity to plan ahead for a trailer teaser during the big brain damage event.
Maybe next year.
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OldestDaughter
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Feb 13, 5:38pm
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I'm hoping they keep a similar design for Rivendell
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as they did in the Jackson films. Similar to them keeping the same design for the Balrog
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DGHCaretaker
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Feb 13, 6:54pm
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Yeah, what choice do they have?
A lot of "artists" want to change things to put their own brand on something, often disappointing fans like so many adaptations do. Other artists know and respect their audience more than their own ego.
I'll be curious about in which camp they'll be.
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Otaku-sempai
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Feb 13, 7:01pm
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The War of the Elves and Sauron
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Jumping forward several years from the events of Season 2, Season 3 takes place at the height of the War of the Elves and Sauron, as the Dark Lord seeks to craft the One Ring that will give him the edge he needs to win the war and conquer all Middle-earth at last.
Shouldn't the War of the Elves and Sauron already be concluded? I suppose that the conflict must be being combined with Sauron's later rise as the self-proclaimed King of Men and Lord of the Earth, that culminated with his surrender to Ar-Pharazôn and his captivity in Númenor. Might that be where this season ends?
I expect the creation of the Nazgûl to be greatly accelerated.
“Hell hath no fury like that of the uninvolved.” - Tony Isabella
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OldestDaughter
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Feb 13, 8:03pm
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But I love the nostalgia. I'm one of 'those' fans
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OldestDaughter
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Feb 13, 8:10pm
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I think it will continue years after the Battle of Eregion since that was part of the Elves and Sauron in the books, and they will probably end the season after the creation of the One and his capture by Numenor. that or end right with the Creation of the One Ring.
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OldestDaughter
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Feb 13, 8:14pm
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I'm hoping this will be a good season to connect the bridges between this and the Lord of the Rings, especially now with bringing in the One Ring. It would be awesome (only if rights permit it ) that they would bring Howard Shore to have the One Ring theme return. But that's just a hope of mine lol.
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Noria
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Feb 13, 10:06pm
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Great news! Thanks for the update.
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I feel that RoP hit its stride in Season 2 and I’m happy it’s officially renewed.
Amazon must not be too unhappy with the series, though we don’t know if there have been budget cuts or anything. The original writing team has been replaced, but showrunners (and writers) Payne and McKay are still there, so their vision continues. The two primary directors of Season 2 are back for Season 3. Was director Charlotte Brandstrom also an executive producer for Season 2?
I wonder what “several years” means. Five years? A decade? A century? What does it mean for the characters and storylines? That they're casting teenagers as Disa and Durin’s children suggests a handful of years.
As Dweller said, there will have been time for Rivendell to be established and Galadriel won’t have to sleep on the ground anymore. Time also for the Elves to have regrouped after Eregion.
Will the Dwarves of Khazad-dum have sorted out their succession issues? I would have liked to have seen that play out.
Presumably the Numenoreans be will be well into doing what they do to the Southerners and Middle-earth.
Will Gandalf be a fully fledged Wizard and what will be the situation with the Dark Wizard? I don't expect to see Tom Bombadil again but would be happy to.
What about Nori, Poppy and the Stoors? Will they have escaped Rhun and arrived somewhere? This is one of my favourite storylines.
Presumably Sauron will have taken over Mordor.
A time jump should not be a problem for most of the characters/actors seeing that they’re Wizards, Elves, Dwarves and Numenoreans, and even proto-Hobbits. But what about the Southerners? Theo?
Alas, Celebrimbor will be a distant memory by then.
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Otaku-sempai
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Feb 14, 4:33am
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Several years, as in more than two but not many. Of course what constitutes "many" can be relative depending on whether we are talking about Men, Dwarves or Elves! I'm assuming a time jump of about five years, more or less.
We might still see succession strife in Khazad-dum, maybe even civil war.
Hopefully, Kemen will be a more well-developed character in Season 3, if not a wiser person. I expect him to rule over the South-landers as a despot. Maybe he will even receive the most potent of the Nine Rings, making him the future Lord of the Nazgûl.
Gandalf (ugh) should start coming into his own by now. I expect him to join up at some point with the (other) Blue Wizard to oppose the fallen Dark Istar.
Perhaps we will see the Halflings settle in the Vales of Anduin. Nori & Poppy may stay with the Stoors for the time being. The Harfoots might already have beaten them there; that could make for an interesting reunion.
Prediction: Sauron will have, from Mordor, begun his campaign to dominate all of Middle-earth as the King of Men. He may have already begun to distribute the Nine, but we will see him gift Rings to several key individuals (including Kemen and Khamul the Easterling).
“Hell hath no fury like that of the uninvolved.” - Tony Isabella
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Junesong
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Feb 14, 3:00pm
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The TIME JUMP news makes me really happy.
Focus on THE ONE RING (and likely THE NINE) sets up a pretty compelling season as well.
Even the haters and the fence sitters can probably agree that Charlie Vickers is one of the best things about this whole project.
Can't wait to see how it all comes together
"So which story do you prefer?"
"The one with the tiger. That's the better story."
"Thank you. And so it goes with God."
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Noria
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Feb 14, 8:15pm
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Your predictions seem right on target to me.
About Kemen: for me, Kemen and Earien both went from “why are they even here?” characters in Season 1 to much more interesting and impactful ones in Season 2, and both actors really upped their game. Earien has been better developed than Kemen, who still seems like a stereotypical bully/bad guy, though Leon Wadham does a great job of making our skins crawl. So I agree that he could use some fleshing out. I too expect him to end up as a Nazgul.
Settling in the Vales is what I envision for the Harfoots and Stoors, maybe joined by the Fallohides, by the end of RoP at least.
I had hoped that the Stranger was one of the Blue Wizards but, for better or worse, he’s Gandalf, likely for the name recognition. But as Corey Olson pointed out, he’s serving the exact same function as a Blue Wizard would. And as you stated, that leaves the other Blue out there, possibly waiting to be brought into the story. So I’m reconciled.
Like others, I expect the coming season to focus on the War of the Elves and Sauron, the making of the One Ring and the rise of Numenor, maybe climaxing with the defeat of Sauron by Numenor and the Elves, and him being taken to Numenor as a captive.
One thing I’ve learned about Payne and McKay is that they have been playing a long game, starting with the long, slow introduction to the 2nd Age and its peoples in Season 1. They do things like introducing characters such as Kemen and Earien, and even Celebrimbor, in fairly minor roles and then bring them to the fore and develop them when the story requires it. Or they draw on some of Tolkien’s more obscure musings, like Gandalf visiting Middle-earth before the 3rd Age, or lore which only the most knowledgeable of fans would know about, like the Feanorian lisp. They don't create mysteries about the characters for us to solve; we do that to ourselves. What they want is for us to discover the truth about certain characters as the people around them do, or they themselves do in Gandalf's case. I'm not saying it always works.
I believe that RoP, for all its flaws, is a subtly different kind of programming that is not really being appreciated.
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Lissuin
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Feb 14, 9:06pm
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One thing I’ve learned about Payne and McKay is that they have been playing a long game, starting with the long, slow introduction to the 2nd Age and its peoples in Season 1. They do things like introducing characters such as Kemen and Earien, and even Celebrimbor, in fairly minor roles and then bring them to the fore and develop them when the story requires it. Or they draw on some of Tolkien’s more obscure musings, like Gandalf visiting Middle-earth before the 3rd Age, or lore which only the most knowledgeable of fans would know about, like the Feanorian lisp. They don't create mysteries about the characters for us to solve; we do that to ourselves. What they want is for us to discover the truth about certain characters as the people around them do, or they themselves do in Gandalf's case. I'm not saying it always works.
I believe that RoP, for all its flaws, is a subtly different kind of programming that is not really being appreciated.
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DGHCaretaker
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Feb 15, 4:23am
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I repeatedly told everyone here that "Halbrand is Sauron" and "It's Gandalf" when folks wanted to believe in their own theories while the showrunners thought they were being so clever with their mystery boxes. Because that's how obvious, predictable bad writing is done. Like a child thinking they're invisible when covering their eyes. It was obvious, predictable, abysmal writing.
Now they are so clever at playing the long game.
It sounds cultish like always wanting to believe in the best despite the worst in evidence. I guess that's optimism, but it's false; a poor foundation.
I hope Season 3 is where they've learned from the past two seasons, but it won't be proof of the long game. More like a confession of guilt.
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TFP
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Feb 15, 9:03am
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...Theo?....
isn't he the only really named 'lowman' character remaining? Isildur's very pretty ladyfriend doesn't feel like she'd count?
the actor's age makes it at least modestly difficult to use the same actor after a time gap.
but then I wasn't really sure what they were doing with that character anyway in season 2. season 1 implied that Bronwyn was quite a major character, their plans obviously had to change there, to the detriment of any decent material for Theo.
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Noria
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Feb 15, 4:22pm
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Yes, I agree about both Theo and Bronwyn.
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The actor is a youth rather than a child even now, but will he seem like a fully mature adult after the time jump? I don’t think he has the chops. IMO, that actor is by far the least talented and charismatic of the cast. Maybe a time jump would be the opportunity to replace him.
I really liked Bronwyn and was sorry that Nazanin Boniadi left. She was good and her departure undoubtedly changed that subplot drastically. Bronwyn, Arondir and Adar were carrying the Southlands story, at least until Galadriel and the Numenoreans arrived. Without those characters, despite potentially interesting elements like an Ent-wife and Ent and the arrival of the Numenorians as colonizers, I found that part of the narrative lacklustre. Maybe it needs some more compelling characters. The only ones we know are Estrid and her beau, and now Kemen.
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Junesong
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Feb 15, 6:08pm
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If I could just remind everyone to stop saying things even mildly complimentary about the showrunners. It can be upsetting to some of us.
"So which story do you prefer?"
"The one with the tiger. That's the better story."
"Thank you. And so it goes with God."
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DGHCaretaker
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Feb 15, 7:49pm
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Heh, I'm impressed. Really. I laughed. I enjoy sarcasm. Maybe that makes sense to you. :)
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Junesong
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Feb 18, 12:54pm
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I think we should see this as an opportunity for some recasting. Obviously the elves and dwarves can stay the same - but I think we have the opportunity to move to some new human cast members to show the progression of time. I love our Harfoot characters more than some, but still think recasting might be in order there too.
So what do you all think? What roles could or should be recast?
My first thoughts were that this is an easy way to upgrade our Isildur and Theo characters into better actors (no offense) and possibly Kemen and Isildur's sister too. Whatever is going on with them seems like it's only getting more important. While we're at it - I'd rather see new actors than bad old age makeup for Elendil and Miriel too.
"So which story do you prefer?"
"The one with the tiger. That's the better story."
"Thank you. And so it goes with God."
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TFP
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Feb 19, 1:20pm
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It's been largely covered already but I think the main reasons for doing the time jump will probably be construction related, e.g. so that we can start the season with a 'fully operational' rivendell, possibly barad-dur, probably a numenorean military-industrial complex/numenor as a fully formed colonial power.
This needn't take so many years, a lot of years or a very small number of decades. i think they could easily get away with not recasting any of the numenoreans. the Isildur actor was someone who they likely identified at outset as someone who could go all the way to the very end of the show. i agree that he's not been great so far but he's hardly had the best material to work with...
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Noria
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Feb 19, 6:14pm
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I’d rather not see recasting and don’t think it’s necessary in most cases.
I’d be surprised to see the exact number of years of the time jump specified on the screen, as in “Ten years later…” As TFP mentioned, in Season 3 we’ll probably see Rivendell established, Barad-dur being built, and Numenor well entrenched in Middle-earth and at or near the peak of its power.
If ever I read how long Dwarven childhood lasts, I’ve forgotten. If Gerda and Gamli were human, then the time jump could only be something like five or ten years as they transition into adolescence from childhood, not infancy. That amount of time wouldn’t necessarily require any character/actor replacement, especially for the non-human characters. My understanding was that the whole point of compressing the stories of Numenor and the Elves and Sauron into the lifetimes of a couple of human generations in the last decades of the Second Age was to avoid constantly introducing new characters and recasting.
Elendil, Miriel and Pharazon are long-lived Numenoreans and shouldn’t have aged all that much. I wonder if Miriel will be married by Season 3.
Young characters like Isildur, Earien. Kemen, and maybe Nori and Poppy, will only have matured into full adulthood, which is where their actors actually are in life. IMO, Ema Horvath as Earien and Leon Wadham as Kemen really improved in Season 2 and earned their places.
I don’t disagree about Maxim Baldry. His Isildur doesn’t convince me, but maybe Baldry will up his acting game and the character will evolve. I preferred Valendil.
As for Theo, acting skills or lack thereof aside, the actor may just be too young to carry off any time jump convincingly. It could be like the epilogue of the last Harry Potter movie.
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DGHCaretaker
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Feb 19, 6:21pm
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I’d be surprised to see the exact number of years of the time jump specified on the screen, as in “Ten years later…”
I define "several," which is the word the article uses, as more than two but still single digits. Otherwise, they'd say decades or other such terminology. Mostly I think of "few" as about three and "several" as three to five. More than that and you get "many."
So I think either some of the guesses in this thread are unrealistic, or the word used by the article, or given to the article by the production, are understated, coy, or misleading.
I also interpret the time jump as a new writing team getting themselves out of some morass inherited from the previous writers. Kind of like Star Trek Discovery.
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