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The Collected Poems of J.R.R. Tolkien - a review reviewed

noWizardme
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Dec 12 2024, 12:47pm

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In September this year, Christina Scull and Wayne G. Hammond published The Collected Poems of J.R.R. Tolkien. For anyone wanting more biblio-style details, this entry in the Tolkien Gateway looks helpful.

At three volumes, 1,400 pages and £90 this is a work for libraries, and a worthy achivement for Tolkien studies scholars (or for people working in a bigger league than I am).

At that length and price I have not read it and therefore can't review it. (I'd be interested to get trplies from anyone who has though.)

But I have just read a review of it (Tolkien the Timekeeper by Henry Oliver writing in Prosepct magazine, 3 December 2024). That's what I want to write about here. Not only does Mr Oliver write a fine, thoughtful and mostly positive review, but he brings out some interesting and important ideas about Tolkien's writing generally.

You can (possible "should") read that review in full here.

What I want to do is to present some of the bits I thought especially interesting. All quotes are from that review, unless otherwise specified.


To start with, Tolkien as one of many poets affected by the sorrows of lost times:


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It was this theme—one of the great sorrows of human life—that struck the young JRR Tolkien in Lichfield during the First World War, and which became the making of him as a young poet. He recollected the moment, in a letter written 50 years later.

"I said, outside Lichfield Cathedral, to a friend of my youth — long since dead of gas-gangrene (God rest his soul: I grieve still) — ‘Why is that cloud so beautiful?’ He said: ‘Because you have begun to write poetry, John Ronald.’ He was wrong. It was because Death was near, and all was intolerably fair, lost ere grasped. That was why I began to write poetry."


"And all was intolerably fair, lost ere grasped” is a nice poetic phrase: unbearable, too, like an inversion of Shakespeare’s “When I consider everything that grows/Holds in perfection but a little moment”. This is Tolkien’s familiar grand theme from The Lord of the Rings —the time of Middle-earth being, to mankind, almost lost ere grasped. Notice, too, the Wordsworthian note in this letter: “Why is that cloud so beautiful?” We think of Tolkien as a writer inspired by the lost civilisations of the north, a man of myth and saga. In his poetry we can see more clearly the late romanticism that pervades his work. He shares those poets’ sentimental sorrow of the world.

...What struck me most from the first volume (of three) of the Collected Poems was just how much Tolkien was a poet of his times. The editors deny this, pointing to the idiosyncratic nature of his verse, and they are surely right about that. But if you gave some of these poems as a close reading exercise, it wouldn’t be too hard to devise that the poet was born the year Tennyson died (1892) and was an undergraduate in the days of Rupert Brooke and John Masefield.


I agree with this strongly - I think it is really clear, in LOTR especially, how Tolkien's writing is of his time and place. As well, of course, as looking back to myth and saga, and also being deeply original.


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Where the modernists made fragmentary literature from the disorder of the new world, Tolkien saw the fresh power of old stories: the terror of the waking dragon and the reality of the evil eye. Though he is not often (if ever) a truly great poet, Tolkien’s war poetry is hugely moving about lost time, lost men, lost ideals. The year after [Tolkien's friend GB Smith] died (along with their friend Rob Gilson, killed on the first day of the Somme), Tolkien wrote a poem before a commemorative dinner for the Battle of Minden, fought in Prussia in 1759 and in which Tolkien, Smith and Gilson’s regiment had fought. Although “Companions of Honour” is ostensibly about 1759, it is clearly a memorial to his friends.


For you to-day I drink the silent toast
And pour the wine, and wear my rose, and sing
That yours is now of all the proudest boast
Who, loathing wars and all they mean or bring,
Went forth in horror, charged the Gates of Hell,
And poison-piercèd by a foe unseen
Drenched with your blood the tortured Earth, and fell
Where no rose springs nor any blade of green.


I too read that bit of “Companions of Honour” and think of the machine-guns shrapnel and gas, wire and sucking mud of the trenches. Those seem clearer than the lines of Red-coated Seven-Years War infantry advancing steadily into the volleys of French musket-balls.

And I think that the character

Who, loathing wars and all they mean or bring,
Went forth in horror


Is familiar enough to us from Tolkien's writings - though not so much from the Jackson movies, for probably pretty obvious reasons about what was expected from blockbuster movies in those times (spectacle and excitement, mostly: and not too much to have to stop and think about).



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Anyone who works through to the final volume will find a more pessimistic tone. The pressures of fame, the loss of CS Lewis and the modernisation of the Catholic Church all depressed Tolkien. As he had done when he was young, he responded to his trials with poetry of strong, fine feeling about the travails of lost time:

’Tis hard indeed not to believe
that endlessly without reprieve
the dreadful ghost of What-is-done
shall still pursued for ever run
from the remorseless wraith unseen,
the Ghost of Ghosts, the Might-have-been.


And yet, I don't think that tone is just Tolkien getting old and finding himself increasingly out of sorts with the modern (nineteen-sixties or -seventies) world. I think he's still close here to Bilbo's I sit beside the fire and think. And you could give those ’Tis hard indeed not to believe lines to Galadriel or Elrond departing Middle-earth (or to Celeborn, or even to Sam, staying behind).

So in sum (Henry Oliver finishes):

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These poems are not going to become a major part of Tolkien’s legacy. His reputation as one of the greatest writers of the 20th century will rest on his two great novels (and the often splendid poems, a hundred in all, that they contain). But in these Collected Poems we can trace much of Tolkien’s development, both in terms of his attempt to capture time before it was lost in youth and in his mourning the loss of the world in his old age.


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"I am not made for querulous pests." Frodo 'Spooner' Baggins.


squire
Gondolin


Dec 12 2024, 9:10pm

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Thanks for this - my feelings about the Prof's 'poetry poetry' have always been mixed [In reply to] Can't Post

It's nice to see a full review of the new book - up to now I'd simply seen social media posts mostly complaining about the scholarly apparatus and the resulting length and repetition that repels the casual reader.

But even as one who doesn't mind a little Christopher Tolkien-style scholarship on JRRT's rough drafts and the like, I too have been putting off buying this book. For one thing, I got the revised Letters volume last year and haven't even cracked it open yet. Getting behind on the Tolkien thing in my old age, maybe.

But the other side of my hesitation goes back to my first days on TORn in the early 2000s, when the redoutable NZ Strider posted a few of Tolkien's early poems, from the 1910s and 20s, that NZS had stumbled across while reading History of Middle-earth. I remember how unremarkable, uninspired, or even unpoetic they seemed to me, without the context of a Middle-earth setting or character to give them life. They seemed cliched, the kind of romantic and over-wrought undergraduate verse that usually never makes it past the college literary magazine, much less gets reprinted online a century later due to the eventual literary celebrity of the juvenile poet.

Mr. Oliver, your reviewer here, is very generous with his praise when he offers it, comparing some of Tolkien's lines to the contemporary, and still celebrated, poets of his youth like Brooke and Betjeman. But as I noted while reading the review, Oliver more often pulls back in dismay, concluding that Tolkien's poetic reach exceeded his grasp much more often than not. Middle-earth remains the Prof's only really great literary achievement, and more power to him for that.

This book, and these poems, especially the hitherto unpublished ones, have survived because of Tolkien's celebrity as a fantasist-scholar, not because of their quality as poetry. And I'm not sure I'm going to buy and read a book as long and hard as this one just to be reminded of that yet again.

Thanks very much for this, NoWiz!



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oliphaunt
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Dec 13 2024, 12:25am

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I'm more likely to enjoy reading a review about this book that to read the book itself. And I'd probably prefer reading a book about Tolkien's poetry than reading his poetry itself. And your review review is even more accessible.

I do recall when I was young, I would scan or even skip poetry in LOTR (apologies to Bilbo). Later I had more patience for it, and could appreciate it in context. But I take more pleasure in Tolkien's poetic prose than in his poetry.


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noWizardme
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Dec 13 2024, 3:48pm

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I do wonder what Tolkien would have thought of this volume [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm thinking that if a lot of the poetry in these volumes is not very good, Tolkien might answer that by pointing out that he never intended to see most of it published.
But (assuming our reviewer Mr Oliver is right) the book is not for people wanting to read Tolkien's good poetry: it's for people wanting the most comprehensive collection possible, with a scholarly apparatus. Or, as Henry Oliver puts it in his review:

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Still, this Collected Poems is a significant achievement, and the editors are to be praised for their work. The book’s value is largely as a storehouse of knowledge about Tolkien’s development and career.
[And, later]

These collected volumes are best suited for specialists, devotees, completionists, collectors and cranks.

(and then he wonders where he fits into that Venn diagram. Smile)

Maybe at some future time there will be a much slimmer volume of the good stuff, for the more casual reader.

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Ethel Duath
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Dec 14 2024, 2:52am

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"It was because Death was near, and all was intolerably fair, lost ere grasped." [In reply to] Can't Post

"Here are beauties which pierce like swords or burn like cold iron." (And Oliphant's poetic prose)



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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Dec 15 2024, 5:20pm

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If you told me several years ago that a revised and expanded edition of Tolkien's letters would be published, and my copy would remain completely uncracked open a year later, I would have told you you were crazy. But so it has proven to be the case. And the collected poems remain unpurchased, with no current plans to change that.

I agree that "Tolkien's poetic reach exceeded his grasp much more often than not," with the added caveat that that reach was often incredibly high. What he tried to accomplish with poems such the The Lay of the Children of Húrin, and The Lay of Leithian, was exptraordinary, even if they remained unfinished and with a huge range of quality, from the exquisite to the absurd.

That being said, some of Tolkien's poetry I find very moving. I am always deeply touched by Galadriel's song about Eldamar that she sings to the company of the Ring from the swam ship before they depart from Lothlorien:

I sang of leaves, of leaves of gold, and leaves of gold there grew:
Of wind I sang, a wind there came and in the branches blew.
Beyond the Sun, beyond the Moon, the foam was on the Sea,
And by the strand of Ilmarin there grew a golden Tree.
Beneath the stars of Ever-eve in Eldamar it shone,
In Eldamar beside the walls of Elven Tirion.
There long the golden leaves have grown upon the branching years,
While here beyond the Sundering Seas now fall the Elven-tears.
O Lórien! The Winter comes, the bare and leafless Day;
The leaves are falling in the stream, the River flows away.
O Lórien! Too long I have dwelt upon this Hither Shore
And in a fading crown have twined the golden elanor.
But if of ships I now should sing, what ship would come to me,
What ship would bear me ever back across so wide a Sea?


Beauties which pierce like swords or burn like cold iron, indeed!

'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'

The Hall of Fire

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squire
Gondolin


Dec 15 2024, 8:03pm

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Yes, some of it is moving - but still so readily spoofable [In reply to] Can't Post

I wrote of themes, of Tolkien memes, and dreams that Tolkien knew:
And jokes I made and jokes I played to please a happy few.
Beyond the net, beyond the fans, a Valinor awaits,
On shaded quad or lecture-hall behind emblazoned gates.
Beneath the stars of Oxfordshire in Albion it sings,
Or Michigan where theses far more scholarly take wings.
There long footnoted leaves have grown from every Tolkien tree,
While here the journals do not reach across the Western Sea.

O Reading Room! Now quiet room, with slow and measured posts;
The themes are falling silently, the jokes are heard by ghosts.
O Reading Room! Too long I dwelt midst happy online smiles
The road went ever on and on for many happy miles.
But if I now sought Valinor, what would it profit me,
What friends would read my books from far across so wide a Sea?

An oldie from 2011, when I was promoted to "Valinor" in the TORn hierarchy of contributors.



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Voronwë_the_Faithful
Doriath

Dec 15 2024, 8:29pm

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Unlike you [In reply to] Can't Post

I've never been a fan of 'Bored of the Rings.'

Still, that's pretty clever.

'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'

The Hall of Fire


noWizardme
Gondolin


Dec 18 2024, 11:53am

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If we had a like button, I'd use it!
Interesting to me to see a whistful 'whither the Reading Room' note in 2011, before my time. Ah well, we bumble along still.

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"I am not made for querulous pests." Frodo 'Spooner' Baggins.


Hamfast Gamgee
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Dec 23 2024, 8:46am

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I think you might be been a little harsh [In reply to] Can't Post

I quite like Tolkien's poeltry you can see how his writing style develops from it. I mkight be interested in the volume. And as for the price, that is not too much nowadays. Think I spend nearly as much as that on an evening to the theatre in London counting travel and feed!

 
 

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