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Ataahua
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Dec 11 2024, 11:49pm
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Peter Jackson on The War of the Rohirrim and also The Hunt for Gollum
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“Talking about going back into Middle-earth, we thought it would be interesting to explore smaller stories to fit formats and not try to repeat ourselves with the two trilogies we’ve done,” Jackson said of the franchise’s newest entry.
...While Jackson said he was unsure of LOTR’s animated future, he hasn’t discounted a possible return to the form.
“I don’t know. This was always going to be a one-off film. If it’s successful and people like the anime, then I don’t think there’s any reason why there can’t be any more out there”.
He also makes an interesting comment about what to expect from the Hunt for Gollum film:
The tone and pacing will be significantly different from any other films in the franchise, Jackson hinted.
“It’s like a psychological drama. There won’t be big epic battles compared to the other movies. It’ll be more inside Gollum’s head”.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/...4SRFKLL6IDMGKWYA7A4/
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Otaku-sempai
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Dec 12 2024, 1:32am
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I still think that The Hunt for Gollum should be more about Gandalf and Aragorn than about Sméagol. I think placing too much focus on such an unpleasant and pathetic character is a mistake. Change my mind.
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Ataahua
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Dec 12 2024, 3:02am
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Yeah, I was surprised by that nugget of info.
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How exactly will that work? Not gonna lie, I'm intrigued - but I don't know how they'll pull it off.
Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."
"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded beggar with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.
Fantasy novel - The Arcanist's Tattoo
My LOTR fan-fiction
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Silvered-glass
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Dec 12 2024, 12:47pm
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Put me on the list of people who don't see how this is going to work out. The 2023 video game about Gollum failed too. That one was a bad game by all accounts, but I think Gollum just not being main character material played its part in the low sales.
Gollum's CGI model doesn't grow old like an actor and Gollum is a character with a lot of depth to him, but a movie all about Gollum as the main character sounds like it would get old long before the end of the running time. Plus we all know how his story ends, so there would be no tension about that.
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grammaboodawg
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Dec 16 2024, 2:11pm
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It makes sense that this film would have a different approach if we're experiencing events through Gollum's perspective... which is quite skewed from all the things mentioned in LotR. Guilt, loss, obsession, addiction, loneliness, conflict, isolation, cunning, fear, mental and physical starvation, and the power of the Ring using him to return to Sauron. Throw in the fact he's being hunted makes for a fascinating plot!
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Silvered-glass
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Dec 18 2024, 9:23pm
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It makes sense that this film would have a different approach if we're experiencing events through Gollum's perspective... which is quite skewed from all the things mentioned in LotR. Guilt, loss, obsession, addiction, loneliness, conflict, isolation, cunning, fear, mental and physical starvation, and the power of the Ring using him to return to Sauron. Throw in the fact he's being hunted makes for a fascinating plot!
The problem with this approach is that there would be nearly zero overlap with the LotR movies as far as target audiences go. You'd have to throw out most of the old audience and replace it with the sort of people that weren't into Tolkien in the first place. The latter would by default be uninterested in watching a film about Gollum and would need to be convinced otherwise with expensive marketing. This same marketing would in turn make the film less attractive to casual LotR movie fans who might otherwise have bought a ticket from pure name recognition.
I myself tend to like darker stories and in particular really like the sections of LotR about Frodo and Sam traveling to Mount Doom, but I have no desire to see a movie about Gollum being Gollum for two hours. It's just a completely different feeling and not inspiring at all. Also, Gollum is objectively a villain, but he isn't the sort of charismatic villain who is easy to root for (an example of which would be Lelouch Lamperouge from Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion). All the Tolkien fans know in advance that Gollum's story has no happy ending or even a real catharsis, which further diminishes emotional investment. Any attempt at manufacturing a character arc under these circumstances would only fall to the trap of any meaningful character development towards goodness and light needing to be temporary so that the plot doesn't break... and LotR already did the same with its version of Gollum's arc, so such a route wouldn't even really be original.
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DGHCaretaker
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Dec 18 2024, 9:53pm
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...I have no desire to see a movie about Gollum being Gollum for two hours...
The title with "The Hunt For..." as the operative part suggests Gollum is more of a MacGuffin in the story. In reality, more Gollum is more cost, so he's not going to be on-screen all the time. So other favorites like Gandalf and Aragorn would be more the focus and much of the screen time. Think Luke in the Last Jedi, the Wizard in the Wizard of Oz, or Private Ryan in Saving Private Ryan.
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Silvered-glass
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Dec 19 2024, 12:15am
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...I have no desire to see a movie about Gollum being Gollum for two hours... The title with "The Hunt For..." as the operative part suggests Gollum is more of a MacGuffin in the story. In reality, more Gollum is more cost, so he's not going to be on-screen all the time. So other favorites like Gandalf and Aragorn would be more the focus and much of the screen time. Think Luke in the Last Jedi, the Wizard in the Wizard of Oz, or Private Ryan in Saving Private Ryan.
That's what I imagined the movie would be like (because it would make sense) and said as much in an earlier thread, but PJ in the interview appears to give the opposite impression. I hope he exaggerated Gollum's role and someone like Aragorn is the real main character.
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DGHCaretaker
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Dec 19 2024, 2:07am
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...I have no desire to see a movie about Gollum being Gollum for two hours... The title with "The Hunt For..." as the operative part suggests Gollum is more of a MacGuffin in the story. In reality, more Gollum is more cost, so he's not going to be on-screen all the time. So other favorites like Gandalf and Aragorn would be more the focus and much of the screen time. Think Luke in the Last Jedi, the Wizard in the Wizard of Oz, or Private Ryan in Saving Private Ryan. That's what I imagined the movie would be like (because it would make sense) and said as much in an earlier thread, but PJ in the interview appears to give the opposite impression. I hope he exaggerated Gollum's role and someone like Aragorn is the real main character.
I'd expect more Gollum than in the example MacGuffin characters I mentioned, and not have Andy Serkis's talents wasted (like Mark Hamill was). But hearing that about Jackson - his word would carry weight - I'll have to find the exact quotes to know whether I'd change my prediction. I would expect a good deal of intercutting for dramatic purposes, but individual Gollum scenes could be shorter while the others longer.
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Wainrider
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Jan 3 2025, 4:51am
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Since they can't do the Silmarillion- the only story they should be considering for a second animated movie should be Angmar and the Witch King. That would actually be interesting and exciting.
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Jan 3 2025, 2:59pm
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Since they can't do the Silmarillion- the only story they should be considering for a second animated movie should be Angmar and the Witch King. That would actually be interesting and exciting. What about the story of how the Hobbits of the Shire survived the Long Winter with the help of Gandalf? A tale of hardship and survival against horrible weather, the threat of starvation, and an invasion of White Wolves from the North.
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Wainrider
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Jan 4 2025, 2:26am
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I don't think there's enough there for a movie, but I did think of one other good idea. A movie of the war of dwarves and orcs and/or dwarves and dragons. They could do time compression and put them both in one film. Now, that would be an exciting story.
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Jan 4 2025, 3:27pm
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I don't think there's enough there for a movie, but I did think of one other good idea. A movie of the war of dwarves and orcs and/or dwarves and dragons. They could do time compression and put them both in one film. Now, that would be an exciting story.
Oh, I think that there may be enough drama for a film in the struggle of the Hobbits during the Long Winter. It is a smaller scale story but not everything has to be a fantasy epic.
On the other hand, the War of the Dwarves and Orcs might work in animation for different reasons. An animated film of the conflict would not be as expensive as a live-action adaptation (which would require extensive prosthetics and special effects). However, the War of the Dwarves and Dragons seems too disjointed to me; that might be more suited to a more episodic approach as an original animated video (OAV) series.
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grammaboodawg
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Feb 1 2025, 3:04pm
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I revert to my 20+yo mantra: Trust Peter
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PJ, Philippa, Fran and anyone else who has spent the past quarter-century (plus) in Middle-earth to bring it (and the characters) to life has earned my belief in them and what they must have been planning for a long time to get to this point.
They have the appendices, inferred events and plot twists, and a complex character (including the Ring's influence) to create a unique film (or more?) from a very knowledgeable perspective. I can't wait to see what they come up with!
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