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Noria
Grey Havens
Nov 11, 4:54am
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The parts of the story of the Second Age to which Amazon has the rights lack the kind of detail of plot, characterization, etc. that would turn what is basically a timeline into a story. Of course all those things were going to be fleshed out, of course there were going to be inventions and changes from the original. How many named Numenorians are there in the Appendices?
I agree too that making movies and television series is inherently as much business as it is art. RoP is not someone’s indie passion project that can get away with being a financial failure but an artistic success. Like Jackson’s LotR, it costs a lot of money to make and the show-runners have a responsibility to the people who put up that cash. That responsibility includes being mindful of both attracting as large an audience as possible and repelling as few people as can be managed while still telling their story.
If they go for the full Iluvatar experience, I suspect that most people, whether they like it or not, will just roll with it because the whole story and setting are pure fantasy anyway. Almost anything goes, as long as it adheres to the rules of that world. My attitude towards these adaptative decisions is to see how it plays out on the screen, then decide what I think about it. If I don’t care for it, well I didn’t think much of the Silmaril/Tree/Mithril bit either but it didn’t spoil the series for me.
As is their wont, the writers have already planted seeds through allusions to supernatural beings and events like Miriel’s sea trial, the falling blossoms, Gandalf’s arrival, Pharazon’s musings about Aman and so on. There is time next season for those to grow and more to be sown, including more references to the One if they're going there. Most of posters here seem to want the full story and I suspect they’ll get it. I seem to remember that the show-runners are Mormons (?), so those ideas may be important to them as well.
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Michelle Johnston
Gondor
Nov 11, 5:23am
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I think you have this more right than me. Provided it's perceived as Tolkien's view of his creation, and as one of the screenwriters point out Tolkien was not about allegory, it will be fine. I was being overly influenced by the fact that I spend more time in observant societies (where ROP was No1 on Amazon), which I respect enormously, than non observant. As to my concerns about crescendos over ten years let's see what happens. Inshallah.
Mamon
As to your other remarks I took a lot of pleasure in reading your thoughts. The arts these days are as much about accountants as visionaries.
Fans (and non fans) can demand all they like, but that ignores the realpolitik that the writer of books and screen plays is not allowed to, unless he or she wants to starve or give up.
The extra ordinary irony of all this, is the professor in 1969 was very concerned about Capital Transfer Tax (now Inheritance Tax) and that drove his thoughts on the sale of the film rights. Does that make him like Lobelia, looking out for his children's inheritance?
My Dear Bilbo something is the matter with you! you are not the same hobbit that you were.
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Noria
Grey Havens
Nov 11, 6:11pm
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It has long and maybe always been so for artists that they have to make a living and must sometimes compromise. For example, of the two arguably greatest classical musicians, Bach was employed by churches to compose and play religious music and in German courts for much of his career, while Mozart often struggled financially as he tried to get steady employment and commissions. Neither of them was always free to compose as they wished.
We all know that Tolkien was an academic and writing fiction was a sideline, though no doubt an increasingly lucrative one. IIRC, when asked by his publisher for a sequel to The Hobbit, he provided a version of The Silmarillion, but it was rejected. So he wrote LotR. Sometimes things work out.
I was raised going to Sunday school and church and I’m familiar with the basics of Christianity, but I’m not religious now. So those aspects of Tolkien’s works don’t especially resonate with me. When I read The Silmarillion, I do skim through Ainulindalë because it’s part of the saga, but it’s boring.
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Victariongreyjoy
Rohan
Nov 12, 10:43pm
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We will see the island sink below the sea. That has been alluded with the palantiri. Wether Ar-Pharazon sails with his great armada remains to be seen, but I think we will see it.
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor
Nov 12, 11:34pm
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I agree that is not in question
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I have no doubt at all that they will show the island drowned beneath the great wave. It is how they show that coming about that I am wondering about.
'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'
The Hall of Fire
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