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Eruonen
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Oct 17 2024, 1:55am
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Did J.K. Rowling take "Dumbeldore" from Tolkien? Or, is it a well known archaic name?
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https://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Dumbledors
Dumbledors were a legendary "ferocious race of winged insects",[1] mentioned only in Hobbit verse. The dumbledors were said to have battled a knight on a quest.[2]
Dumbledor or dumbledore is an obsolete English word for bumblebee.
"The name "Dumbledore" is an 18th-century word for "bumblebee".[15] Rowling chose the name because Dumbledore loves music, and she imagined him walking around and humming to himself frequently.[16]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albus_Dumbledore
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Eldy
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Oct 23 2024, 1:36am
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Possibly, but I wouldn't put money on it
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"Errantry" is hardly one of Tolkien's more popular works, nor is it widely discussed even in Tolkien fandom, much less the wider world. Unless Rowling has read The Adventures of Tom Bombadil or (listened to) The Road Goes Ever On I wouldn't expect her to have even heard of Tolkien's "Dumbledors [and] Hummerhorns, and Honeybees" (RGEO, p. 47). Rowling stated in a 2000 interview with Newsweek that she read LOTR when she was "about 14" and The Hobbit in her 20s, after she'd begun working on HP. I don't think she's ever described reading past that, and even if she did, I'd be surprised if she went for Tolkien's poetry collections. Few people do.
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Oct 23 2024, 2:01am
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The chances are someplace between zero and none.
'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'
The Hall of Fire
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Ethel Duath
Gondolin
Oct 24 2024, 7:06pm
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humblebee (Methinks I have heard that heretofore).
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noWizardme
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Oct 25 2024, 4:02pm
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Bombus humilis is the brown-banded carder bee. I think they missed a trick not calling it the Humble bumble.
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"I am not made for querulous pests." Frodo 'Spooner' Baggins.
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Na Vedui
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Oct 25 2024, 8:06pm
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On a hunch, I Googled "Dumbledore Thomas Hardy" and it brought up some references, including one to a passage in "The Mayor of Casterbridge" that mentions "dumbledore" and "hagrid" in the same paragraph! They are mentioned as examples of old-fashioned countrified words that one of the characters now avoids using. So that's another possible source. There are probably other mentions in Victorian novels etc. though.
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Ethel Duath
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Oct 25 2024, 10:36pm
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Ho! Tom Bombusbee, Tom Bombusillo!
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Bright orange his jacket is, though other bees have yellow.
None have ever squashed him yet, for Tom avoids disaster.
His stings are stronger stings, and his wings are faster.
(This post was edited by dernwyn on Nov 5 2024, 1:49am)
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dernwyn
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Oct 30 2024, 3:35pm
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Ethel Duath
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Oct 30 2024, 9:12pm
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I just now noticed that Firefox or whatever messed with my carefully constructed stanzas, though, and turned it into a ridiculously run-on paragraph with no space between sentences!  
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dernwyn
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Nov 5 2024, 1:50am
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Why, it looks just fine to me! 
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Ethel Duath
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Nov 5 2024, 2:21am
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The shoemakers elves have nothing on you. :D
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Thankee kindly!
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dernwyn
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Nov 5 2024, 2:40pm
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And now I'm trying to wrap my mind around "myxolydian", I don't recall ever having heard that term in all my long-ago music lessons...
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Ethel Duath
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Nov 5 2024, 4:12pm
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Trifles are yummy! :D Oh, and your music teacher likely
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would not have brought it up, because it's one of what they call the "modes" which have been largely superseded by our current standard major and minor types of keys.
I love the modes because some of them are a bit weird and therefore fun. 
Two of them actually are what became known as major and one of the minors (3 common types of that), Ionian and Aeolian. All very Greek, as to the terms, it appears.
Here's a nice website where you can hear them. My favorite bizarre one is the Locrian, because to our modern ears, it feels like it needs to go one half-step higher than the last official Locrian note to sound like it's actually finished up. https://mymusictheory.com/...s/the-musical-modes/
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dernwyn
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Nov 5 2024, 8:10pm
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Music for whatever mode you're in!
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Fascinating, thank you! But I'll always think of them as majors and minors - much easier to remember than those names! 
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Ethel Duath
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Nov 5 2024, 8:35pm
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Or! String 'em together, and you have:
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Dorwinion?
Ionosphere?
Phryg Door?
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dernwyn
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Nov 6 2024, 12:16am
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