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NecromancerRising
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Oct 5, 6:32pm
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SEASON 3 PREDICTIONS
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-We will see the Harfoots traveling west with the Stoors.we will see the Harfoots traveling west with the Stoors. -Gandalf will be training with Bombadil and by the end defeat the Dark Wizard (who will be revealed as a Blue Wizard). We will learn more about these Acolytes and Gaudrim. -Elendil will make it to the west and Anarion will be introduced, possibly Amandil too. Isildur will make it back to Armenelos and see the situation, steal a fruit from Nimloth(the entwives might be his inspiration for that).He will go reunite with Elendil.Pharazon will force Muriel to marry him. -The Dwarves will have a Civil War over the heir and the Blue Dwarves* will come demand their ring. The doors to Khazad-dum will shut. -Gil-Galad gives his ring to Elrond who uses it to found Rivendell. Yes I think they will introduce Glorfindel. We meet Celeborn and Galadriel leaves with him to head to Lothlorien. Gil-Galad will start to have connections with Numenor. -Sauron goes to Mount Doom and forges the One, builds Barad-dur and starts distributing the Nine. He uses Feanors hammer to make Morgul blades out of Morgoths crown. -Theo and the low men will rebel against Kemen who is making them build the Armada, due to their previous promises to the Ent Wives. They will unite with the Ents and Kemen will flee to the future Umbar while Pelargir stays allied with the Faithful -Sauron lays siege to Lindon but gets pushed back to Umbar, gives Kemen a ring and gets captured by Pharazon. The halflings arrive to Gladden Fields and the Stoors want to settle there. Sauron arrives to Numenor. Your thoughts?
"You cannot find peace by avoiding life"
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Hopefull Harfoot
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Oct 5, 9:19pm
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I don't really know how much of history the show intends to cover over the five years. I had assumed it would end at the battle the LOTR films begins with, but have no basis for that. One thing I would have liked to seen was the company of archers the Hobbits sent (reputedly) to the Battle of Fornost.
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Otaku-sempai
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Oct 6, 1:44am
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I don't really know how much of history the show intends to cover over the five years. I had assumed it would end at the battle the LOTR films begins with, but have no basis for that. One thing I would have liked to seen was the company of archers the Hobbits sent (reputedly) to the Battle of Fornost. Well, the Battle of Fornost took place in the year 1975 (Third Age), so it would be very surprising for it to be referenced in ROP. A lot of us have been assuming that the series would end with the War of the Last Alliance; however, I could see an alternative where Season 5 ends with the Downfall of Numenor. If that were the case then the show could take its time to get there, which might actually be better given the short episode count of the seasons. If Payne & Mckay still plan on producing 50 hours of The Rings of Power then it looks like they will need to have a sixth season of ten episodes.
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skyofcoffeebeans
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Oct 6, 5:33pm
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This is a very solid outline for S3
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I imagine there will also be interactions between the Dark Wizard plot line and Sauron’s rise, as he takes over the Rhun cult and the imagery associated with the Eye. I could see a scenario where Sauron arrives in Numenor not at the very tail end of the season, but around episodes 6 or 7. I imagine the downfall of Numenor will be a pivotal multi-episode sequence in the middle of season 4. I also think we’ll see the downfall of Khazad-dum in season 4, and the surviving dwarves become part of the Last Alliance. I imagine that will also form the basis of season 5, but I think Sauron’s death will be earlier than we think, perhaps slightly past midway through the last season. I think we’ll see the fallout of what Sauron’s destruction means for the people of the Second Age. As for the ending of the series? I think we’re going to see the ending of Return of the King recontextualized through the lens of this show. We’ll see Gandalf’s final conversation with Tom, this show’s version of Galadriel and Elrond finally crossing the grey rain curtain to reunite with Celebrian and Finrod, with Frodo and Bilbo in tow. Think the ending of Six Feet Under, but Middle-earth.
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Lieutenant of Dol Guldur
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Oct 7, 1:36pm
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That's fun! Let's speculate...
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Additionally here are some ideas on my part. Disclaimer: I tried to think like the showrunners and only consider the first two seasons as canon while Tolkien's texts serve as inspiration at most. So if it's not in line with the professors work it's neither my fault not does it necessarily reflect my own personal opinon on how the show should continue but how I think it will anyway ;) Númenor I think Míriel will marry Pharazôn willingly because I believe there will be (the threat of) a civil war between the Faithful and the Kings Men and to keep the peace Míriel asks her cousin to marry him to stop/prevent the war. If Pharazôn is forcing her to marry him I don't see how the Faithful could accept that. Until Sauron (Zigûr) arrives at the end of S3 or early S4 there needs to be some sort of fragile peace between Faithful and Kings Men. The Nine Speaking of Sauron and Men: At some point the show needs to introduce some suitable bearers for the Nine. I don't need to meet all of them but at least half would be nice. I guess Kemen is the only obvious candidate so far. His mother predicted a bad ending for him and becoming a Ringwraith and slave to Sauron obviously isn't a great ending for sure. I hope he won't become the Witch King though. But we need eight more so the show better introduce some cool future Nazgûl in S3 from Númenor to Rhûn. Since we know his name and origin from the books I don't see why the show shouldn't introduce an Easterling warlord or king named Khamûl in S3. Khazad-dûm We'll have another civil war or at least another clash between members of the same people mirroring the events on Numenór. I think it would be interesting if Durin IV, Disa, Narvi and all the "good" Dwarves have to leave Khazad-dûm and found another realm after they loose their claim/fight against Durins brother. There's even potential for some Shakespearean drama here. Maybe Durin IV needs to give up his Durin name and return to his original, secret name as teased in S1? Erebor would be the mainstream solution of course because casual viewers will remember the Lonely Mountain from "The Hobbit" and it's film adaptation but geographical speaking the Ered Luin would make much more sense due to their proximity to Lindon. Eriador seems to be more important than Rhovanion. Also I want to see more scenes between Durin and Elrond! Or did the show already establish the Blue Mountains as a Dwarven realm? Durins brother could become the new Durin and the one bringing ruin to Khazad-dûm once and for all by releasing the Balrog in S4 while Durins "good" Dwarves will later on join the Last Alliance alongside Gil-galad, Elrond, Elendil and Isildur (probably also Gandalf and Galadriel) against Sauron in Mordor. I think we gonna get some sort of "Avengers" team-up for the final battle with all the heroes from S1 to S5 joining forces.
"There is only one Lord of the Ring, only one who can bend it to his will. And he does not share power."
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Otaku-sempai
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Oct 7, 2:24pm
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Additionally here are some ideas on my part. Disclaimer: I tried to think like the showrunners and only consider the first two seasons as canon while Tolkien's texts serve as inspiration at most. So if it's not in line with the professors work it's neither my fault not does it necessarily reflect my own personal opinon on how the show should continue but how I think it will anyway ;) Númenor I think Míriel will marry Pharazôn willingly because I believe there will be (the threat of) a civil war between the Faithful and the Kings Men and to keep the peace Míriel asks her cousin to marry him to stop/prevent the war. If Pharazôn is forcing her to marry him I don't see how the Faithful could accept that. Until Sauron (Zigûr) arrives at the end of S3 or early S4 there needs to be some sort of fragile peace between Faithful and Kings Men. The Nine Speaking of Sauron and Men: At some point the show needs to introduce some suitable bearers for the Nine. I don't need to meet all of them but at least half would be nice. I guess Kemen is the only obvious candidate so far. His mother predicted a bad ending for him and becoming a Ringwraith and slave to Sauron obviously isn't a great ending for sure. I hope he won't become the Witch King though. But we need eight more so the show better introduce some cool future Nazgûl in S3 from Númenor to Rhûn. Since we know his name and origin from the books I don't see why the show shouldn't introduce an Easterling warlord or king named Khamûl in S3. Khazad-dûm We'll have another civil war or at least another clash between members of the same people mirroring the events on Numenór. I think it would be interesting if Durin IV, Disa, Narvi and all the "good" Dwarves have to leave Khazad-dûm and found another realm after they loose their claim/fight against Durins brother. There's even potential for some Shakespearean drama here. Maybe Durin IV needs to give up his Durin name and return to his original, secret name as teased in S1? Erebor would be the mainstream solution of course because casual viewers will remember the Lonely Mountain from "The Hobbit" and it's film adaptation but geographical speaking the Ered Luin would make much more sense due to their proximity to Lindon. Eriador seems to be more important than Rhovanion. Also I want to see more scenes between Durin and Elrond! Or did the show already establish the Blue Mountains as a Dwarven realm? Durins brother could become the new Durin and the one bringing ruin to Khazad-dûm once and for all by releasing the Balrog in S4 while Durins "good" Dwarves will later on join the Last Alliance alongside Gil-galad, Elrond, Elendil and Isildur (probably also Gandalf and Galadriel) against Sauron in Mordor. I think we gonna get some sort of "Avengers" team-up for the final battle with all the heroes from S1 to S5 joining forces. Yes, the Dwarves of the Blue Mountains have already been referenced. I'd much rather keep King Durin IV in Khazad-dûm at least until after the War of the Last Alliance (assuming he doesn't meet an unfortunate fate before that). It would have also been nice to at least introduce us to his brother instead of just mentioning him in passing. I can imagine the kingdom of Erebor being founded prematurely, but that still should not occur before the downfall of Moria. I also expect a politically expediant marriage between Ar-Pharazôn and Míriel. That could lead to an uneasy truce between the two factions in Númenor, but we will see. We already have indications that Númenor will start demanding tribute from the Men of Middle-earth as they establish more beachheads there. I definitely foresee Kemen receiving one of the Nine Rings, maybe Theo also (though I'm more inclined to think that he will become the King of the Oathbreakers). Kemen might become a much more formidable individual once he acquires a Ring of Power. I expect we will also be introduced to Khamul the Easterling. It will be interesting to see if all of the Rings are distributed before Sauron is captured and taken to Númenor (the Season 3 finale?).
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OldestDaughter
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Oct 7, 3:08pm
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All those are very solid predictions
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and I actually see most of this happening. I do wonder if we will see the other Blue wizard appear as well to help Gandalf and possibly Tom Bombadil help take down the Dark Wizard (The other blue) In regards to where this series will end, with the war of the last alliance, I'm hoping Amazon gets more of the films rights so they can re-create it close to what the film trilogy did since they are already trying to so hard to connect the two. But that will be at least six years from now (if we have to wait two years for every season) so that would definitely be a good possibility!!
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skyofcoffeebeans
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Oct 7, 3:12pm
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… Chekhov’s Balrog still has time to take down Khazad-dum in seasons 3 or 4 ;)
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Junesong
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Oct 7, 3:33pm
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First - what if Durin's "SECRET NAME" is actually the show waiting to reveal some connection to Thorin's family. I can see the show shrugging off the timelines and just saying, "My secret name is Thror" or something. Second - if they continue to follow the ring verse then next season will focus on the 9 rings of men. BUT - it would also likely push the forging of the one to season 4! I'm guessing we'll see the one created AND numenors destruction in the same season. But will Sauron create it upon his return? Or perhaps leave it in Mordor and come oozing back to it out of the flood?
"So which story do you prefer?" "The one with the tiger. That's the better story." "Thank you. And so it goes with God."
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OldestDaughter
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Oct 7, 3:47pm
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I would hope they would wait to create the One Ring until season 4
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No need to rush it now, show the corruption of the Nine first, and then do the Creation of the One in season four. I rather have that that rush to bring in the One Ring next season.
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TFP
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Oct 7, 3:50pm
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I think the big things that they definitely need to include are: (a) the general rise of Numenor, including significant colonies in Middle Earth (b) Numenor specifically beating/capturing Sauron (c) the corruption and fall of Numenor; (d) the parcelling out of the nine rings, alongside the forging of the one; (e) the war of the last alliance; and (f) the corruption and demise of Isildur. my feeling is that season 3 won't give us very much of (c). we'll definitely get a lot of (a) and (d), padded out with whatever needs to happen bits of the dwarf and halfling storylines. we might well get (b), I suppose.
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Otaku-sempai
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Oct 7, 4:53pm
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First - what if Durin's "SECRET NAME" is actually the show waiting to reveal some connection to Thorin's family. I can see the show shrugging off the timelines and just saying, "My secret name is Thror" or something. Second - if they continue to follow the ring verse then next season will focus on the 9 rings of men. BUT - it would also likely push the forging of the one to season 4! I'm guessing we'll see the one created AND numenors destruction in the same season. But will Sauron create it upon his return? Or perhaps leave it in Mordor and come oozing back to it out of the flood? Well, the Longbeards are Durin's Folk, and Thorin Oakenshield already is a direct descendant of Durin the Deathless. There's no need to take it any further. Yes, I expect that the recipients of the Nine Rings will be a main focus of Season 3. The Season 2 finale has already lain the groundwork with the forging of the Nine and Kemen arriving in Middle-earth. I think we need to have the crafting of the Ruling Ring in Season 3, but it might be late in the season. My guess is that the Season 3 finale will be when Sauron surrenders to Ar-Pharazon.
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Junesong
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Oct 7, 5:23pm
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It would be really cool if the finale of season three shows the approach of Numenor's enormous power intercut with Sauron forging his one ring with the implication that Numenor is going to come and there will be a big powerful fight. Instead - Sauron hides his ring and surrenders to Numenor. I love the visual image of a broken black liquid Sauron washing ashore in Middle Earth after the drowning of Numenor and slowly makings its way back to Orodruin where we see it oozing up the walls towards The One. Once it touches The One Sauron retakes physical form but now hideous and monstrous. Almost like the end of Deathly Hallows Pt 1 when Voldemort gets the Elder Wand and shoots lightning into the sky (spoiler alert!)
"So which story do you prefer?" "The one with the tiger. That's the better story." "Thank you. And so it goes with God."
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Lieutenant of Dol Guldur
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Oct 7, 7:12pm
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Yes, the Dwarves of the Blue Mountains have already been referenced. I'd much rather keep King Durin IV in Khazad-dûm at least until after the War of the Last Alliance (assuming he doesn't meet an unfortunate fate before that). It would have also been nice to at least introduce us to his brother instead of just mentioning him in passing. I can imagine the kingdom of Erebor being founded prematurely, but that still should not occur before the downfall of Moria. [..] It will be interesting to see if all of the Rings are distributed before Sauron is captured and taken to Númenor (the Season 3 finale?). In my opinion S3 should first and foremost introduce us to Durins brother who we've never met before and who was only mentioned once in the show if I remember correctly. The show should take it's time to develop his relationship with Durin and make him a compelling character. S4 could be the downfall of Khazad-dûm with Durins brother taking over and releasing the Balrog while Durin IV and Disa escape and either found Erebor or seek refuge in the Ered Luin to place them near Elrond and Gil-galad to be ready for the Last Alliance in S5. Expanding on the Dwarves and their foes: I wonder if the show runners can resist introducing Dragons or versions of them. Perhaps not Smaug and maybe not a winged one but a lindworm maybe? We've seen several varieties in creatures already in both seasons since the show runners love their little action setpieces and introducing a (small) dragon/serpent as a temporary obstacle for the Dwarves to overcome wouldn't be the weirdest one would it? Maybe after Durin and Disa are forced to leave Khazad-dûm on their way to either Erebor or the Ered Luin? And concerning the Nine I wonder if Sauron takes a few of them with him to Numenór to find some suitable candidates there? Maybe even sending them to Middle-earth with a mission at some point knowing that the downfall of Numenór is going to happen soon. But this should also be in S4 and not in S3 I think.
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Junesong
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Oct 7, 7:22pm
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I think the show will definitely introduce them. TWO big reasons: ONE - they are mentioned in the text as existing during this time and it's a pretty cool monster to NOT use. Especially as they can make them talking dragons if they want and that's cool. TWO - they are specifically mentioned as ways the rings have been destroyed. I think this show is lassoing everything even tangentially related to the rings in Tolkien and bringing them to the forefront. Aye! There be dragons!
"So which story do you prefer?" "The one with the tiger. That's the better story." "Thank you. And so it goes with God."
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skyofcoffeebeans
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Oct 7, 7:56pm
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... Durin IV and Disa will fall prey to their Macbethian undertones and ultimately be the downfall of Khazad-dum. Seems more dramatically satisfying than an evil big brother doing it. I agree with you about dragons! It'd be such a missed opportunity.
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Oct 7, 8:53pm
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or maybe cold-drakes. We've never seen those on-screen, and they'd be different enough to keep the audience from rolling their eyes at yet another fire-breathing dragon.
They that go down to the sea in ships, that do business in great waters, these see the works of the Lord, and His wonders in the deep. -Psalm 107
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Lieutenant of Dol Guldur
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Oct 8, 7:46am
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Dragons destroying four of the Seven
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Two great points. I especially love the second one. You're absolutely right. It was said that four of the Seven have been swallowed or destroyed by Dragons... Now I am convinced that we'll definitely see a Dragon or a drake or a lindworm or another related creature destroying at least one of the Seven.
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Lieutenant of Dol Guldur
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Oct 8, 7:55am
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While watching S1 I was one of the only people here thinking about Disa being Sauron even called her "Disauron" because it would've been a fun reveal. She wasn't of course but I still like the idea of her having a darker side we haven't seen yet. Because Disa and Durin IV have been presented as two of the most pure and good hearted characters in both seasons and it would be really dramatic if both or at least one of them somehow gets corrupted for a certain amount of time. Maybe even mirroring Thorins "dragon sickness" in the third Hobbit movie? It's definitely more interesting showing the cracks in two good characters than just introducing an evil brother as an obstacle just to replace Durin III. That would be lazy. Maybe this yet to be named brother is actually a good guy? We'll see I guess.
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Lieutenant of Dol Guldur
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Oct 8, 8:02am
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That's why I mentioned the lindworm which are basically wingless dragons, looking like a big serpent. I think we've seen enough winged fire breathing dragons in recent fantasy stories and with "House of the Dragon" we even have an ongoing fantasy show with all variants of them too. But introducing another variation Tolkien wrote about like a cold-drake or a lindworm or some other creature would be amazing. A cold-drake would work wonderfully if let's say Disa, Durin and their company escape Khazad-dûm through the east gate but want to re-unite with Elrond in Rivendell they have to cross the Misty Mountains and a snowy mountain pass would be the perfect place for an encounter with a cold-drake. Just a short action sequence like the showrunners love them. We haven't really seen Disa or Durin or any of the Dwarves in action so it would be fun to see them take down a small dragon-like creature.
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Junesong
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Oct 8, 12:15pm
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I love all of this! I hope they do it. I have also been suspicious of Disa since S1. There's something going on there - some slow game that the show is playing. I just can't figure out what it is yet.
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Oct 8, 1:54pm
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i ask too much if i would love to see a Glaurung type of dragon? Wingless but intelligent and dangerous
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Lieutenant of Dol Guldur
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Oct 8, 2:05pm
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Oh! Glaurung was a great character. Having a similarly intelligent dragon would be cool but also would ask for more scenes to establish him as a character and not just a monster to fight. But I guess as soon as Sauron is on Númenor we need a villain in Middle-earth as well. What else should the Elves, Dwarves, Men and Gandalf do while Sauron is gone to the island right? So fighting a big intelligent dragon wouldn't be the worst of ideas.
"There is only one Lord of the Ring, only one who can bend it to his will. And he does not share power."
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NecromancerRising
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Oct 8, 2:11pm
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It wouldnt be the worst of ideas, actually it would be tremendously good for my part if we saw interactions between Sauron and Glaurung P.S. Do we know where can we send ideas to the showrunners?
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Junesong
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Oct 8, 2:24pm
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I'm sure they religiously check these boards and take detailed notes about our likes and dislikes. *winks in sarcasm
"So which story do you prefer?" "The one with the tiger. That's the better story." "Thank you. And so it goes with God."
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