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Ataahua
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Sep 11 2024, 10:02pm
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And in a move that surprises no-one: The Hunt for Gollum might be two movies.
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A comment from Sir Ian McKellan at 5min 55s - "I'm told it's two films". (Also, he'll get the script sometime in the New Year and will then judge if he wants to take part.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfmHEc_z0Qk
Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."
"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded beggar with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.
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DGHCaretaker
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Sep 11 2024, 10:32pm
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Heh, well, from the LOTR forum where the running length came up for "The War of the Rohirrim," I was joking, so I can't claim a prediction for a different film, but...
Thanks. That's pretty long for an animated film. That makes me suspect it's going to sag pretty bad in the middle. It's not really that long. In the 1980s and '90s there were a lot of anime films that were over two hours long; Some of them were compilation films and some were original movies such as The Dagger of Kamui and My Youth in Aracadia. If you're reaching back to the 80's, I think that proves my point. I bet this movie really sags in the second act. Hey, this is Peter Jackson. Let's thank him for not making this a duology. :)
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Otaku-sempai
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Sep 12 2024, 12:19am
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McKellen might be under a misapprehension. We already knew that there are plans for two films. That doesn't necessarily mean that The Hunt for Gollum will be split between them. There was a lot of talk about this in the last TORn Tuesdays chat. Also, the story seems far too thin for two movies.
The only way I can see a two-film structure working is if they incorporate more elements from "The Tale of Aragorn and Arwen" in Appendix A. The first film would focus on Aragorn's early history, perhaps including his first meeting with Gandalf at around age 25 and his errantries in Rohan and Gondor. The climax might be his victory over the Corsairs in the raid on Umbar. The second film could concentrate on Aragorn's activities after leaving the service of Ecthelion II including his reunion with Arwen in Lorien and the hunt for Gollum.
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Silvered-glass
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Sep 15 2024, 6:43pm
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Based on how The Hobbit turned out
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I think the most likely path for the story would be them trying as much as possible to make it into another Lord of the Rings out of commercial considerations, like was the case with The Hobbit, so we would have two (if not three) three-hour fantasy epics rather than a smaller-scale story about Aragorn tracking down Gollum and Gollum trying escape. In practice this would manifest as multiple armies being sent to capture Gollum. The armies would then inevitably clash with each other in epic CGI-laden battles. I could easily see this and the related political discussions taking up hours of screentime while Aragorn and Gollum in the wilderness would be a contrasting parallel story thread.
We could well get the backstory for why Gandalf and Denethor don't like each other. Denethor likely would be wanting to capture Gollum for himself to interrogate and Gandalf would spoil his plans. I wouldn't even put it past the limits of possibility for there to be a coup plot involving Gondor, with Denethor as the usurper (possibly secretly supported by Sauron). This would end up explaining why Aragorn has "chosen exile" in PJ's movies. He would originally have been the rightful reigning king or a son of the king in this continuity, but he gave up and retired to become a full-time ranger when he perceived that the people of Gondor wanted Denethor instead.
I know this breaks the canon and probably sounds very bad, but that's my lack of optimism talking. It's not something I want to happen.
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Otaku-sempai
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Sep 15 2024, 7:57pm
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I think the most likely path for the story would be them trying as much as possible to make it into another Lord of the Rings out of commercial considerations, like was the case with The Hobbit, so we would have two (if not three) three-hour fantasy epics rather than a smaller-scale story about Aragorn tracking down Gollum and Gollum trying escape. In practice this would manifest as multiple armies being sent to capture Gollum. The armies would then inevitably clash with each other in epic CGI-laden battles. I could easily see this and the related political discussions taking up hours of screentime while Aragorn and Gollum in the wilderness would be a contrasting parallel story thread.
We could well get the backstory for why Gandalf and Denethor don't like each other. Denethor likely would be wanting to capture Gollum for himself to interrogate and Gandalf would spoil his plans. I wouldn't even put it past the limits of possibility for there to be a coup plot involving Gondor, with Denethor as the usurper (possibly secretly supported by Sauron). This would end up explaining why Aragorn has "chosen exile" in PJ's movies. He would originally have been the rightful reigning king or a son of the king in this continuity, but he gave up and retired to become a full-time ranger when he perceived that the people of Gondor wanted Denethor instead.
I know this breaks the canon and probably sounds very bad, but that's my lack of optimism talking. It's not something I want to happen.
I'm sorry, but all that sounds awful and I'm glad that you're not proposing it seriously. For one thing, it puts entirely too much attention on Gollum. Only a handful of beings on all of Middle-earth know even know of his existence beyond vague rumors of ghosts and cradle-robbing bogeymen. Entire armies looking for that wretched creature is not remotely credible. And no new reason needs to be invented to explain Denethor's distrust of Mithrandir. It's already known that the Steward of Gondor believes that the wizard plots to usurp his rule and replace him with the Ranger Aragorn (known to Denethor as Thorongil).
I would be very surprised, even shocked, if Peter Jackson went in this direction. I'll stick with my previous scenario until we learn more.
“Hell hath no fury like that of the uninvolved.” - Tony Isabella
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Silvered-glass
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Sep 15 2024, 9:46pm
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I'm sorry, but all that sounds awful and I'm glad that you're not proposing it seriously.
It sounds awful to me too. Possibly even more to me than to you, as I'd hate to see Denethor's character get ruined even more on screen. The poor guy has memes about him, and of course the memes are about the movie version.
For one thing, it puts entirely too much attention on Gollum. Only a handful of beings on all of Middle-earth know even know of his existence beyond vague rumors of ghosts and cradle-robbing bogeymen. Entire armies looking for that wretched creature is not remotely credible.
Sauron sent quite a few Orcs to attack Mirkwood just for Gollum. It would make sense for Sauron to have committed large numbers of Orcs to capturing Gollum even earlier, and I don't expect these movies to be the sort that go for restraint when the potential for spectacle exists. (Exhibit One: The Hobbit movies.) And since Aragorn soloing all those Orcs both stretches the credibility overly much and is not the maximum potential spectacle, I expect to see significant participation from fan-favorite countries from Gondor to Mirkwood to produce those epic battles. And the Nazgűl are sure to appear, etc.
And no new reason needs to be invented to explain Denethor's distrust of Mithrandir. It's already known that the Steward of Gondor believes that the wizard plots to usurp his rule and replace him with the Ranger Aragorn (known to Denethor as Thorongil).
We know that the movie canon and the book canon differ here. The movie canon version of the events has never been laid out properly, and The Hobbit movies went for elaborate plot inventions contradicting and complicating the canonical plot to justify the runtime.
I would be very surprised, even shocked, if Peter Jackson went in this direction. I'll stick with my previous scenario until we learn more.
Given the title "The Hunt for Gollum", I'd expect just that to be central to the main plot, not something that only happens as a de-facto epilogue to The Adventures of Thorongil.
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Eruonen
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Sep 17 2024, 7:31pm
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I could see two movies but different episodes
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Movie 1 could cover young Aragorn and his time serving Thengel and then Echthelion.... a lot of action in that time....ending in Lothlorien and Arwen. (Considering War of the Rohirrim tie in)
Movie 2 Hunt for Gollum proper
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Otaku-sempai
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Sep 17 2024, 8:30pm
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Movie 1 could cover young Aragorn and his time serving Thengel and then Echthelion.... a lot of action in that time....ending in Lothlorien and Arwen. (Considering War of the Rohirrim tie in)
Movie 2 Hunt for Gollum proper
There's a big gap between Aragorn's service to Ecthelion II in Gondor and the Hunt for Gollum. There could be another entire film just covering Aragorn's travels into the distant East and the far South. Or the search for Gollum could be included to follow those events, but that would keep Gandalf out of the story for most of the film.
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Eruonen
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Sep 17 2024, 8:37pm
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I agree, two movies on young Aragorn would be ideal.
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All new cast for those films.
I worry a bit about fan fatigue, especially following ROP for good or ill.
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sphdle1
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Sep 18 2024, 5:25pm
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I would love them to make 2 new LOTR films mainly about Gollum, but with other side stories woven in, with Andy and Ian involved along with Peter et al producing & writing...perhaps Viggo, Liv, Kate Blanchett, etc.
Fingers crossed!
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sphdle1
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Sep 18 2024, 5:40pm
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Yeah I think if that's the title...
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I would be very surprised, even shocked, if Peter Jackson went in this direction. I'll stick with my previous scenario until we learn more. Given the title "The Hunt for Gollum", I'd expect just that to be central to the main plot, not something that only happens as a de-facto epilogue to The Adventures of Thorongil.
, and Andy Serkis is acting & directing them, it is likely to have him as a a central theme/story line!
I think it would be super awesome, and the writing team I am certain could easily come up with more than enough story line for two movies. You know they'll somehow add other themes & story lines involving the elves (incl. Galadriel), involving the dwarves, hobbits likely, humans (incl. Aragorn), Gandalf & other wizards, and Orcs & Sauron.
As long as it fits in with the other LOTR/Hobbit movies story lines, it doesn't have to fully fit the books canon, as the other films weren't completely canon either.
With their writing abilities, they will no doubt have no problems splitting it into two films and filling both with 3 hours + 1 hour of extended scenes for later!! 
Whatever they do, I have all the faith it will be extremely entertaining and a trill to watch, just like everything else they've done!
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grammaboodawg
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Nov 15 2024, 1:26pm
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*applause and THANKS!* I needed this :D
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Isn't Sir Ian a joy? And he had his buddy with him :D
I haven't been able to keep up with the plans for THFG, but this has me curious and plugged in. I'm always startled when I see Sir Ian's legs since he really lives mostly for me as Gandalf... who is always covered to his toes.
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