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Victariongreyjoy
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Jun 23 2024, 9:12pm
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A nod to the siege of Erebor in the War of Rohirrim?
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Since we see Mumakil in the concept photos, could the movie also include the Easterlings joining forces with the Dunlendings and Haradrims attack on Helm's Deep? If they are there as well, it an be a small nod to the siege of Erebor which we never saw on screen.
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Otaku-sempai
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Jun 24 2024, 1:09am
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Since we see Mumakil in the concept photos, could the movie also include the Easterlings joining forces with the Dunlendings and Haradrims attack on Helm's Deep? If they are there as well, it an be a small nod to the siege of Erebor which we never saw on screen.
I've never associated Mūmakil with the Easterlings, much less with the siege of Erebor. I've always understood Sam's Oliphaunts to be creatures utilized by the Haradrim, as we see in The Two Towers (both book and film). Also, I'm not sure that the Easterlings actually ever allied themselves with the Dunlendings in the legendarium; the Dunlendings did at least take advantage of Rohan being beleaguered on their eastern front. I'm just not sure that it went further than that.
I do believe that the "Tale of Years" that appears in The Peoples of Middle-earth states that the Easterlings had allied with Orcs against the Rohirrim.
2757...Rohan is overrun by Orcs and Easterlings. At the same time Gondor is attacked by the Corsairs of Umbar.
Of course this was not "The Tale of Years of the Third Age" in its final form. Take if for what it's worth.
Hell hath no fury like that of the uninvolved. - Tony Isabella
(This post was edited by Otaku-sempai on Jun 24 2024, 1:19am)
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OldestDaughter
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Jun 25 2024, 3:40pm
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"Keen, heart-piercing was her song as the song of the lark that rises from the gates of night and pours its voice among the dying stars, seeing the sun behind the walls of the world; and the song of Lśthien released the bonds of winter, and the frozen waters spoke, and flowers sprang from the cold earth where her feet had passed."
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Otaku-sempai
Elvenhome
Jun 25 2024, 8:08pm
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...I think we will see Mūmakil in The War of the Rohirrim, but I think that they will be used by the Haradrim, not by Easterlings. IRL we do have both African and Indian elephants, but I don't know that this kind of speciation should or would apply to Mūmakil. Though maybe we could also consider the world-wide range of prehistoric elephant relatives such as mastodons and mammoths!
Hell hath no fury like that of the uninvolved. - Tony Isabella
(This post was edited by Otaku-sempai on Jun 25 2024, 8:13pm)
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