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PawPrince
The Shire
Mar 16 2023, 8:10pm
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After seeing a pict for Mouth of Sauron on front page of TORN, I can’t help thinking it’s Waldreg under there.
He’s just the kind of scheming sycophant Sauron would welcome into his cult.
And yes, I love the Rings of Power. I’ve waited 40 years to see Numenor and Sauron as an actual character and not merely a symbol.
I’m all in.
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Otaku-sempai
Immortal
Mar 16 2023, 8:55pm
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Others have also thought that this was an interesting idea, but that would be a pretty big break from Tolkien's legendarium. The Mouth of Sauron was said to have been a living Man and a Black Númenórean. Waldreg is, as far as we know, a common Man and would have to be an undead creature by the time of the War of the Ring.
“Hell hath no fury like that of the uninvolved.” - Tony Isabella
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Narvi
Lorien
Mar 17 2023, 7:35pm
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Although he's definitely positioned himself to assume such a responsibility vis-a-vis Adar's regime, he's clearly chosen the wrong side in anticipation of the inevitable Sauron/Adar conflict of S2. I don't expect Sauron would forgive W's allegiance to his rival, even if he does eventually sway him to betray pseudo-Sauron.
Unrelated, but welcome to TORn!
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PawPrince
The Shire
Mar 17 2023, 7:51pm
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In my view, they’ll do whatever serves the dramatic action and characters they’ve all ready established.
Waldreg is going to be fit in somehow or killed off in a useful way that serves the stories they’re telling. If it fits, regardless of Tolkien’s Legendarium, they’ll use it.
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PawPrince
The Shire
Mar 17 2023, 8:17pm
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Although he's definitely positioned himself to assume such a responsibility vis-a-vis Adar's regime, he's clearly chosen the wrong side in anticipation of the inevitable Sauron/Adar conflict of S2. I don't expect Sauron would forgive W's allegiance to his rival, even if he does eventually sway him to betray pseudo-Sauron.
Unrelated, but welcome to TORn!
Waldreg did not do anything Sauron did not want to happen.
He turned the key that created Mordor. Waldreg consistently asked about where Sauron was and originally pledged loyalty to Sauron.
My guess is he will find a way to betray Adar and the Orcs to Sauron, as he did with the humans to Adar.
Thank you! Nice to be here
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PawPrince
The Shire
Mar 17 2023, 8:20pm
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It’s TV, not a thesis or book report.
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Others have also thought that this was an interesting idea, but that would be a pretty big break from Tolkien's legendarium. The Mouth of Sauron was said to have been a living Man and a Black Númenórean. Waldreg is, as far as we know, a common Man and would have to be an undead creature by the time of the War of the Ring.
In my view, they’ll do whatever serves the dramatic action and characters they’ve all ready established.
Waldreg is going to be fit in somehow or killed off in a useful way that serves the stories they’re telling. If it fits, regardless of Tolkien’s Legendarium, they’ll use it.
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PawPrince
The Shire
Mar 24 2023, 7:49pm
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My last post was redundant. I thought I had deleted it. Sorry for that!
About Waldreg: on the last or prior TORN Tuesday Jason confirmed the actor playing Waldreg would be returning for season 2 of ROP.
IMHOP, Sauron is going to get a lot of use out of him.
As I’ve said on Discord, Sauron needs farmers to feed his Orc army. Orcs don’t farm, they hunt. That’s a skill only humans and maybe Elves know. Taking care of animals etc, plants, crops, etc. It’s not unreasonable that Sauron would put Waldreg in charge of his kidnapped or suckered human or Elf laborers.
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Otaku-sempai
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Mar 25 2023, 12:47am
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Canonically, Sauron used Mannish slaves to farm the region of Nurn in the south of Mordor (at leastt in the late the Third Age). However, it is possible that any surviving Entwives were also enslaved to work the fields.
“Hell hath no fury like that of the uninvolved.” - Tony Isabella
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PawPrince
The Shire
Mar 26 2023, 9:09pm
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Canonically, Sauron used Mannish slaves to farm the region of Nurn in the south of Mordor (at leastt in the late the Third Age). However, it is possible that any surviving Entwives were also enslaved to work the fields. Nope.
From LOTR: Return of the King“…from it south-east to join the Morgul-way, and along it many lines of small black shapes were hurrying. ‘I don’t like the look of things at all,’ said Sam. ‘Pretty hopeless, I call it – saving that where there’s such a lot of folk there must be wells or water, not to mention food. And these are Men not Orcs, or my eyes are all wrong.’ Neither he nor Frodo knew anything of the great slave-worked fields away south in this wide realm, beyond the fumes of the Mountain by the dark sad waters of Lake Núrnen; nor of the great roads that ran away east and south to tributary lands, from which the soldiers of the Tower brought long waggon-trains of goods and booty and fresh slaves.“
For heavens sake! How could anyone compel an Ent to be a Slave? Truly unlikely.
Humans are easier, reproduce more often and easily enslaved by Orcs or other men.
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Otaku-sempai
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Mar 26 2023, 10:38pm
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I never said that any Entwives survived into the War of the Ring. It was just speculation anyway.
“Hell hath no fury like that of the uninvolved.” - Tony Isabella
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PawPrince
The Shire
Mar 31 2023, 8:01pm
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I never said that any Entwives survived into the War of the Ring. It was just speculation anyway.
And I never said Entwives didn’t survive the end of the 3rd Age.
I was quarreling with the idea that Orcs or Sauron could or would want to make Ents or Entwives slaves.
They would attempt to burn them, but given what happens in the Two Towers it seems a route to failure and not worth the time.
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Aunt Dora Baggins
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Apr 1 2023, 3:42pm
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Canonically, Sauron used Mannish slaves to farm the region of Nurn in the south of Mordor (at leastt in the late the Third Age). However, it is possible that any surviving Entwives were also enslaved to work the fields.
it may be unlikely, but the romantic in me likes the idea that the reason the Entwives didn't return was because they weren't able to, and that once they're free they'll be reunited with the Ents.
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