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Bolg drastically changed / not appearing until TABA?

Shagrat
Gondor

Oct 3 2013, 11:54am

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I noticed this interesting post on Bridge Direct's Facebook, dated 27th September:


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The 6" scale Bolg you saw at Toy Fair will not be available this Fall. The Bridge develops and plan many months ahead of time, all while trying to stay true to the source material. However, during the creative process of filmmaking, characters may change and so our toy program adapts accordingly to reflect the final vision of the film.


Sounds like he's either not in this one or they've drastically changed him (CGI?), which would be a tremendous shame. I'd be really surprised if they only put him in film 3, so I'm going for the latter regrettably.


Shirriff Anthony
Bree


Oct 3 2013, 12:50pm

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I always felt Bolg could have easily filled the role for Azog in AUJ, unless the whole Azog rumor of him being brought back by the necromancer is true. Maybe we see Bolg in Dol Guldor as the torturer as we thought especially once Beorn comes into play. Azog was not always CGI.

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dave_lf
Gondor

Oct 3 2013, 12:54pm

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Third possibility [In reply to] Can't Post

is that he's been dropped completely, since Azog makes him redundant.


Eleniel
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Oct 3 2013, 1:05pm

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Possible... [In reply to] Can't Post

...but didn't PJ talk in a recent article on DoS about how the focus was going to be on father-son relationships, including Azog and Bolg?


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dormouse
Half-elven


Oct 3 2013, 1:09pm

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dave_lf
Gondor

Oct 3 2013, 1:17pm

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Yes [In reply to] Can't Post

But it wasn't that recent, and clearly something has changed very recently in order for the toy to be pulled now rather than months ago.

Of course it is at least as possible and maybe more so that it is just a design change or a shift of his role into the third film.


DwellerInDale
Rohan


Oct 3 2013, 1:31pm

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It was the Empire DOS article, and he mentioned Bolg specifically [In reply to] Can't Post

Here is the quote from Empire:

Azog...is joined in his fury by Bolg (Conan Stephens). "They're the most serious orcs we've had in these films", boasts Jackson. "Bolg is going to be a fright."


Perhaps since Bolg was in AUJ (just for a moment or two in the Azanulbizar flashback, though Conan Stephens was credited), the Toy Manufacturers had their design based on his appearence then. If Jackson and Co. made some design changes between then and now, they might have wanted to pull the toy until the 3rd movie.

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DanielLB
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Oct 3 2013, 1:37pm

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An interview that was published just 4 months ago seems pretty recent to me. [In reply to] Can't Post

But I'd guess that most of Bolg's scenes were replaced due to the last minute changes with Azog. But Bolg will turn up (probably in a very reduced role) at Dol Guldur. After all, we haven't really seen much of Beorn either. It doesn't mean he won't be at the BO5A.



BilboBagshot187
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Oct 3 2013, 1:41pm

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I would be hugely dissapointed.. [In reply to] Can't Post

.. If either hes not in the films or they decide to alter his design and go down the CGI route a la Azog. Bolgs design is amazing, possibly the scariest looking orc of all these films. I don't understand why they would want to change it. On top of that you have Conan Stevens who has proven in GOT how menacing he can be.

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StarGodziller
Bree


Oct 3 2013, 2:53pm

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Yeah I feel the same way.... [In reply to] Can't Post

Though I had the feeling they might make him a CGI character to make him more consistent with Azog. Hope I'm wrong is all I can say.


Arannir
Valinor


Oct 3 2013, 3:37pm

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I guess they made him CGI. [In reply to] Can't Post

I do hope so. Did not like the Bolg we saw in AUJ at all compared to Azog who remains a very good design imho, even if that opinion has become rather unpopular ;)

Still not sure through why they needed both for the movies.



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BornOutOfTheWest
Rivendell


Oct 3 2013, 3:54pm

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Was wondering where he was too... [In reply to] Can't Post

Strange we haven't seen anything else about him in the marketing but it seems that the 3 film split really did screw up all the other marketing for the film - lego sets, toys, companions etc. I really hope they haven't dropped the character or made him CGI - stick with the prosthetics PJ!


Old Pilgrim
Rivendell


Oct 3 2013, 4:51pm

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They haven't mentioned him at all [In reply to] Can't Post

in the AUJ, we only saw a glimpse of him in Battle of Azanulbizar where he is fighting Dwalin. Of course that could be a different orc but I still believe that is him and perhaps they decide to remove him entirely from the movies because of Azog or change him because of battle wounds from this fight. If we will see him I am certain that he will make an appearance in Dol Guldur.


Long Hammer
The Shire

Oct 3 2013, 5:07pm

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In the book, Azog dies - Bolg is out for revenge in the BOFA. That is the only reason there is actually 5 armies - and in the book it was a surprise they were coming.

In the movie they need a more constant villain presence - so Azog is that piece. Perhaps he dies in DOS, and we get sort of back on track of the reason for a full out war instead of just a personal grudge against the house of Durin.

Just spit balling here


LordotRings93
Rohan


Oct 3 2013, 5:45pm

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Where on their FB page? [In reply to] Can't Post

I don't see any recent post by them about Bolg (I check there a lot just for info on the new wave). Maybe I missed it?

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Shagrat
Gondor

Oct 3 2013, 5:54pm

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Here [In reply to] Can't Post

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Loresilme
Valinor


Oct 3 2013, 6:12pm

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Perhaps Bolg dies as a direct result of Azog's pursuit of Thorin [In reply to] Can't Post


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Perhaps he dies in DOS, and we get sort of back on track of the reason for a full out war instead of just a personal grudge against the house of Durin.



Your theory sounds reasonable.

Also if Bolg dies as a result of Azog pursuing Thorin, it would be in keeping with PJ's statements about there being a father-son type of theme going on in the films with various characters.


LordotRings93
Rohan


Oct 3 2013, 6:33pm

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Ah, thanks! [In reply to] Can't Post

And the release is Oct. 15th for the new figures. Excellent!

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Arandir
Gondor


Oct 3 2013, 7:14pm

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If this is true it would be utterly [In reply to] Can't Post

disappointing.

I've been looking forward to a good glimpse of Bolg in action for a while now and having missed it in AUJ (apart from the barely visible Azanulbizar flashback), I'm really hoping he's still in DoS and in no CGI-mode.

I've said this before, I don't mind Azog at all and still believe he is very "believable" but if Bolg is in costume, I'd rather they stick to that ...

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Captain Salt
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Oct 3 2013, 8:41pm

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Oy vey... [In reply to] Can't Post

They started to push Bolg LAST October, when they released the BD toy based upon the original design, then in the posters...then nothing in the actual film (well, a 2 second cameo). Now it seems like he won't appear in DoS, at least, not as originally intended...quite disappointed by this.

I suppose a possibility is that they wanted his design to remain fresh/a surprise after it was revealed in the film 1 marketing? Or...more likely, it's just another example of digital excess. All well - at this rate, TABA will be entirely done inside a computer.

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Rheged
Bree

Oct 3 2013, 9:06pm

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Mikael Persbrandt has said that on his first day he had to film a "difficult torture scene", which makes me believe that Bolg will be in TDOS: Bolg is meant to be the Necromancer's interrogator, and Bolg torturing Beorn would make the fight between the two in TABA more personal. Hopefully he won't be completely cgi though!


The Mitch King
Rohan


Oct 3 2013, 9:57pm

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What about the action figures of Bolg and Gandalf already released together??

I don't think he's going to change much personally. Plus they had the whole bear paw thingy on his shoulders which connects him with Beorn more intimately. He seems too invested already to be changed greatly.

In regards to the action figure, they could have just changed his description on the back of the package due to plot changes. But who knows?


Glorfindela
Valinor


Oct 3 2013, 11:27pm

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I trust they are not going to show any torture scenes [In reply to] Can't Post

Of Beorn being tortured, that is – horror stuff like that is not something I want to see in this film.


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Mikael Persbrandt has said that on his first day he had to film a "difficult torture scene", which makes me believe that Bolg will be in TDOS: Bolg is meant to be the Necromancer's interrogator, and Bolg torturing Beorn would make the fight between the two in TABA more personal. Hopefully he won't be completely cgi though!



Lio
Lorien


Oct 3 2013, 11:57pm

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Sounds like another last-minute design change. Azog all over again? [In reply to] Can't Post

This does seem to imply Bolg's design has been changed. PJ did confirm that Bolg would be in DoS, so it seems less likely that they're cutting him out.

But why would they change Bolg's design so much that they'd have to cancel the figure? Maybe they've expanded/changed his role, like they (probably) did with Azog, and thought another design would work better for what they wanted? Just guessing here, but Bolg's original design did seem a bit heavy on the prosthetics. Maybe they wanted something that allowed a more flexible performance?

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deskp
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Oct 4 2013, 7:12am

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Oh god I do not want another last minute created cg characther, Azog never really got past the "I'm cgi" for me in the first film. And I think the design of bolg as we've seen it is fantastic!

Bolg could have taken Azogs place no problem. This would have helped fans get over the azog still alive bit. Seeing as they didn't do that, doesent that mean they intend for bolg's part in it to be pretty significant? sicne they couldnt free him up from that to take azogs role?


If they make bolg in CG now, they proapbly changed him, all that hair and fur is hard to make realistic in cgi. (i know they made king kong etc. but still in the hobbit they cant make leaves on trees look real)

I enjoy getting alot of content. But i often feel like the hobbit would have been better as the 2 movies they initialy intended to make.

Imagine if they could have released edits as originally intended.
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