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Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor
Sat, 10:07pm
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Highly surprising new letter from Tolkien
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This is so shocking that I was tempted to check the calendar and make sure that it wasn't actually April 1. In a typed letter signed by Tolkien (and with handwritten notes from him) being auctioned off by Christies, Tolkien confirmed that the "walking Elms" seen outside the Shire by Sam's cousin were Ents (not Entwives) sent by Gandalf to watch over the Shire.
Typed letter signed ('J.R.R. Tolkien') to Jenny Hall, 76 Sandfield Road, Headington, 28 February 1966.
'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'
The Hall of Fire
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Maciliel
Valinor
Sun, 12:01am
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wow! very surprised ents and not entwives
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wow! very surprised ents and not entwives.
what a find!
cheers --
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aka. fili orc-enshield
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the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."
this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel telpemairo
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Silvered-glass
Rohan
Sun, 12:19am
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I'm kind of wondering whether it has become economical to forge "authentic" Tolkien letters, especially ones with explosive lore content.
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CuriousG
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Sun, 12:21am
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"As can be gathered from Treebeard's conversations with M. and P., he knew a lot more about events than they guessed, and more about hobbits than he pretended to"
This is the same Treebeard who was so confused by hobbits that he made a big fuss about adding them to the old songs about sentient creatures that they were missing from? And he repeatedly asked them if they had seen Entwives around the Shire-adjacent lands, when he had Ents patrolling those lands???
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CuriousG
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Sun, 12:22am
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I keep saying, "It's Christie's, they're experts at dealing with forgeries, but still..."
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Otaku-sempai
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Sun, 12:57am
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I feel a bit silly now for insisting for years now that Cousin Halfast had most likely spotted a troll, ogre or giant rather than a literal "Tree-man". I'm sorry I doubted you, Hal!
“Hell hath no fury like that of the uninvolved.” - Jenny Blake Isabella
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GreenHillFox
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Sun, 10:22am
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The content of it seems indeed too absurd to be genuiine...! 
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor
Sun, 1:23pm
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He is also the same Treebeard who ...
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... pretended that the did not know that Gandalf was still alive, but he full well did know that.
'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'
The Hall of Fire
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noWizardme
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Sun, 4:55pm
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It is of course the best possible punchline to nobody in Hobbinton wanting to believe Sam's account of what Hal saw.
(Assuming it is all genuine and so on) I wonder at what point Tolkien decided this was what Hal saw? When he was revising Book I? I think that when this passage was first drafted Tolkien had vague ideas about 'tree men' but ents as we were to come to know them had yet to be made up. Therefore at the point Tolkien first wrote this bit down, Hal couldn't have seen an ent because ents didn't exist yet.
Or much later (maybe even, he decided this in response to that particular bit of fan mail asking about this loose end)?
My reading of Treebeard is that he would be entirely capable of not happening to mention what he knew about hobbits, all the better to check who M&P were and to get information from them. I think book-Treebeard is very cautious but very canny. The PJ movie simplified things by making him a silly old fool who needs M&P to make him see how the outside world is, but that didn't work for me. My reading has always been that he knows a lot about what is going on, but the problem is whether to do anything about it.
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"I am not made for querulous pests." Frodo 'Spooner' Baggins.
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor
Sun, 7:31pm
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Tolkien's handwriting is very distinctive
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As surprising as the content is, I have little doubt as to the authenticity of the letter, and there does not appear to be any questions being raised among those who would know (e.g., the Tolkien collector's community, and the Tolkien scholarship community).
'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'
The Hall of Fire
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No One in Particular
Lorien
Sun, 11:39pm
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to me to be one of those cases where he "knew his audience". In any case, even if JRRT changed his mind later, or just forgot as he got older, it does not jibe with Treebeard thinking M & P were just small Orcs and almost treading on them, or having to have their existence explained to him.
While you live, shine
Have no grief at all
Life exists only for a short while
And time demands an end.
Seikilos Epitaph
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Silvered-glass
Rohan
Tue, 8:32pm
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The possibility of forging handwriting is a well-attested historical fact
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So we would need a skilled forger who has a sample of Tolkien's handwriting and knowledge of unsolved mysteries that are of interest to the fandom. The auctioning of that previous letter provides a proof of potential financial gain to be made. The forger claiming to have found the letter in the old papers of a dead relative who had presumably received it through mail directly from Tolkien himself would be chain of custody enough.
What strikes me about the letter is how it appears to have been planned in a way to make it particularly enticing for fans while still being short enough to minimize the difficult task of writing like Tolkien - a task in which I feel like the letter isn't entirely successful. Tolkien never in his published letters revealed plot secrets in the manner the new letter does or pretends to do.
Also, the idea that the mysterious walkers were Ents keeping an eye on the Shire because they had been requested to do so by Gandalf runs into numerous issues including ones not mentioned by the previous posters. We would probably need to treat the Ents as a sort of supplemental Rangers interested in preventing border incursions by goblins or the Lossoth rather than anything to do with the actual plot of the novel.
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DGHCaretaker
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12:20am
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I'm sure it's a government effort to destabilize the credibility of the Tolkien fanbase ahead of the upcoming move.
Is there nothing good and true in this world, Mr. Glass, worth believing in?
I'm a pretty darned good cynicist, and even I won't fall for this particular theory.
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CuriousG
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4:03am
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Yeah, the tone is so different from anything in Letters
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It's so to the point and without his more flowery or meditative language. And it seems awfully convenient that it's on a Top 10 fan question, never before solved, and not about the origin of athelas or other non-top-charts questions that he still enjoyed answering.
Stay tuned, and we may get a long-lost letter explaining "Tom Bombadil and Goldberry are obviously the missing Blue Wizards." Handwriting added for authenticity: "That's why Gandalf went to visit them when quest-thing over." (How many of his Letters even had handwriting in them with substantial points like that???)
Letter 9 partly put here, showing how he loved phrases set off by commas & parentheses, plus his tone, and that mix of humility and authority (so similar to other letters, so unlike this "new" one):
I have redrawn (as far as I am capable) one or two of the amateur illustrations of the ‘home manuscript’, conceiving that they might serve as endpapers, frontispiece or what not. I think on the whole such things, if they were better, might be an improvement. But it may be impossible at this stage, and in any case they are not very good and may be technically unsuitable. It would be kind if you would return the rejected.
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GreenHillFox
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12:08pm
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I am with Glass on this one, at least...
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As Gandalf said: "I do not like the smell of the left-hand way: there is foul air down there"...
If this item is listed at 5000-7000GBP, it won't be my money!
A fox must trust its nose! 
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor
5:28pm
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Tolkien collectors who have examined thousands of items and identified many of them as fake are convinced that it is real, and that is plenty good enough for me. I understand and share the surprise at the content of the letter, but there is simply no evidence to support the hypothesis that it is a forgery, and I think some people are failing to comprehend just how difficult it would be to successfully deceive an organization like Christie's that goes to great steps to authenticate items before putting it for sale. Would it be theoretically possible to fool them? Sure; anything is possible. But the likelihood is so infinitesimally small that it simply is not worth considering.
In my humble opinion, of course.
'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'
The Hall of Fire
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