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Maciliel
Valinor
Mon, 9:09pm
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has anyone heard of this course? is anyone taking this course?
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https://medievalstudies.thinkific.com/courses/tolkien
is anyone taking this course? has anyone heard of this course?
i found out after the course started, and emailed the email address provided, but have not received an answer thus far.
cheers --
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aka. fili orc-enshield
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the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."
this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel telpemairo
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor
Mon, 9:55pm
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The instructor doesn't seem to have much history with Tolkien scholarship, though maybe that is a good thing to get a different perspective. However, her works such as Torture and Brutality in Medieval Literature (2012) and the edited collections Heads Will Roll with Jeff Massey (2012), Castration and Culture in the Middle Ages (2013), Wounds and Wound Repair in Medieval Culture, with Kelly DeVries (2015), Flaying in the Premodern World (2017), Medieval and Early Modern Murder (2018) and Treason (2019) don't sound very uplifting.
'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'
The Hall of Fire
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Maciliel
Valinor
Mon, 10:18pm
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maybe she can add perspective from morgoth's, shelob's, and sauron's points of view?
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aka. fili orc-enshield
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the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."
this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel telpemairo
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Maciliel
Valinor
Mon, 10:24pm
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maybe she can add perspective from morgoth's, shelob's, and sauron's points of view?
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(apologies for the double-post -- i accidentally erased my original post when i hit "post reply")
yipes. those titles. i hadn't seen those prior to your highlighting them.
this CV might add real understanding of morgoth ("torture and brutality"), shelob ("wounds and wound repair"), gothmog ("flaying"), sauron ("murder"), and saruman ("treason").
cheers : )
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aka. fili orc-enshield
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the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."
this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel telpemairo
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor
1:40am
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Or perhaps Beorn, who is the only "good" character who engages in torture.
Honestly, the descriptions of the classes do look very interesting, and don't seem to focus on the types of things that her previous publications seems to suggest. I'd be interested to hear more about what she has to say, if you do get into the class.
'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'
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CuriousG
Half-elven
5:01pm
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I'm sure that prof has a "Bunnies and Daisies Kiss by Cute Ponies" just lurking in her
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I seriously thought you were joking with that list, those are the sort of titles I'd invent as a joke.
But she has a point that LOTR created a few generations of sissies with all that kindness and virtue nonsense, and it's time to toughen up again. Bring on Vivisection Made Fun the Medieval French Way and Get Your Friends Drunk and Be Your Own Dr. Frankenstein.
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CuriousG
Half-elven
5:03pm
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So sorry. But for the record, Gandalf admits to Frodo that he "put the fear of fire on him [Gollum]", which always says "torture" to me.
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CuriousG
Half-elven
5:04pm
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I know Morgoth did lots of heinous torture stuff, but did he do enough?? //
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor
5:17pm
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That statement is vague enough that it is subject to interpretation, but in my head canon, I take it to mean that Gandalf threatened Gollum at most, not that he actually physically tortured him. But other interpretations are just as valid.
'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'
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