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Otaku-sempai
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Mar 22, 7:41pm
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Fellowship of Fans: DWARVEN Scoops & More
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Fellowship of Fans returns with another segment of The Second Age Show for The Rings of Power, Season 3.
EXCLUSIVE: DWARVEN Scoops & More For The Rings of Power Season 3!
Three scoops for today:
02:03 - "Exclusive: Sauron will be in the Dwarven Kingdom for an episode in 'The Rings of Power' Season 3, including a direct physical confrontation with Durin IV."
This might tie in closely with the second scoop.
09:30 - "Exclusive: Durin's brother, who doesn't like Durin IV, will return to Khazad-dum and challenge for the throne."
I've been expecting this to happen. Perhaps the brother will ally with Sauron and brings him into Khazad-dûm.
20:51 - "Exclusive: An Orc character is central to the overarching Season 3 storyline and will initially travel with Galadriel and Aarondir across Middle-earth."
Okay, I can see this if the Orc was a loyal follower of Adar who rebels against Sauron's leadership, but I'm having trouble seeing the character as being central to the overall plot. Perhaps we see Galadriel journeying to the east of the Misty Mountains where she might be reunited with Celeborn. If Arondir is fluent in the Silvan dialect, he might be useful for connecting with the Wood-elves.
Link to the video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwiCaXRp228&t=8s[[/url]
“Hell hath no fury like that of the uninvolved.” - Tony Isabella
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Mar 24, 6:16pm
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20:51 - "Exclusive: An Orc character is central to the overarching Season 3 storyline and will initially travel with Galadriel and Arondir across Middle-earth."
This appears to be an attempt to build on Adar's popularity. I know a lot of people consider Adar to be the best thing so far about this show, but the presentation of Orcs as just misunderstood and traumatized "children of Melkor" is one of the most important deviations from Tolkien's work of the show, far more important than timeline compressions and the like.
'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'
The Hall of Fire
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DGHCaretaker
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Mar 25, 3:01am
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This appears to be an attempt to build on Adar's popularity. I know a lot of people consider Adar to be the best thing so far about this show, but the presentation of Orcs as just misunderstood and traumatized "children of Melkor" is one of the most important deviations from Tolkien's work of the show, far more important than timeline compressions and the like.
Star Trek writers also do this too much. Regrettably. Writers weaken the foe via technicalities, conquer, and humanize them to remove the threat. They shouldn't invent them if they don't want to deal with their full force in a more creative way. Maybe it's Middle-earth DEI, or "what the world looks like today," for the evil class that's been treated with unfair prejudice for so long. We just want to give them a big hug, don't we? Orcs deserve opportunities and respect too. I think of it as weak writing. Humanizing and removing one's best foes to the detriment of the long-term story seems to have been all the rage for the last few decades. I remember when Klingons were Klingons and orcs were orcs. The poor, sensitive orc mom, dad and baby frightened of war was the most ridiculous and cringeworthy thing I can recall in any franchise in which I've invested my time. I was embarrassed for having been alive to watch it. Worse even than the Star Wars Christmas special.
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Otaku-sempai
Elvenhome
Sun, 6:31pm
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Fellowship of Fans just streamed The Second Age Show, Episode 27 on YouTube. We learn more about how Sauron will be used in Season 3 and there's a little more about Jamie Campbell Bower and his 'Book Elf' character.
[At 1:25] Exclusive: Charlie Vickers (Sauron) and Jamie Campbell Bower (Book Elf) will share many scenes in The Rings of Power Season 3. These are said to be quite physical scenes and some of the best moments of the Season 3.
We still don't know the identity of Bower's character. This, to me, could point more to Glorfindel than to Celeborn, but that might depend upon learning why Galadriel's husband went missing all those long years ago.
[At 1:49] Excl: We will finally be introduced to Barad-dur in Mordor in The Rings of Power Season 3. Inside Barad-dur is where Sauron will begin his journey to craft the One Ring.
Canonically, Sauron used the One Ring in order to complete Barad-dûr, so the fortress might not yet be the tall tower we are more familiar with. No word here about Sauron gifting the Nine to Men. Will he summon at least some of the leaders of Men to Barad-dûr first?
What are your thoughts about these reveals? Link to the video: https://www.youtube.com/...SoD6GWJJk1w&t=7s
“Hell hath no fury like that of the uninvolved.” - Jenny Blake Isabella
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DGHCaretaker
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Mon, 6:50pm
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What are your thoughts about these reveals?
Assuming I watch it - eventually - I'd prefer to wait for reviews rather than spoilers, especially speculative, and watch it fresh. Speculation is mostly time I don't like wasting. Season 3 is a test of whether the production had learned anything. But for the unavoidable things, I'll be sure to comment when inspired. ;)
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Michelle Johnston
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Tue, 7:08pm
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Vickers and Bower share many scenes. And much of it is fighting
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"Eventually, Manwë sent him across the sea to Middle-earth during the Second Age. He possibly came as early as S.A. 1200, but more likely in S.A. 1600,[2]:381–382 at the same time as the Blue Wizards.[8] If he arrived in S.A. 1600, he arrived just after the One Ring had been forged, Barad-dûr built, and Celebrimbor dead or soon to be so. While the Blue Wizards were sent to the east, Glorfindel's mission was to aid Gil-galad and Elrond in the struggle against Sauron."
His special power and reincarnation could make him a worthy and direct adversary of Sauron.
"Even if you chose for us an elf-lord, such as Glorfindel, he could not storm the Dark Tower, nor open the road to the Fire by the power that is in him." But this is the third age after Sauron has become a dark spirit on the wind. Equally, Glorfindel may confront Sauron but not succeed, which Gandalf would have known about when he spoke those words at the Council of Elrond.
"Many are the songs that have been sung of the duel of Glorfindel with the Balrog upon a pinnacle of rock in that high place; and both fell to ruin in the abyss." He has form on confrontations.
Glorfindel is also connected to the Witch King, who feared him, and the light of Valinor resides within him.
Celeborn represents a substantial narrative danger he would become part of a love triangle.
Glorfindel can stand up to the nine, whereas Celeborn's words to the company in Lorien are full of woe.
I still think Celeborn is primarily Galadriel's husband. Glorfindel much more.
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Otaku-sempai
Elvenhome
Wed, 2:19pm
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The Importance of Being Celeborn
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Celeborn is more significant than Glorfindel in at least one respect. He is the father of Cebebrian and the maternal grandfather of Arwen Undomiel.
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Michelle Johnston
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Wed, 3:05pm
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Arwen's lienage has to be established but
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Celeborn is more significant than Glorfindel in at least one respect. He is the father of Cebebrian and the maternal grandfather of Arwen Undomiel.
Mr Tolkien had a knack for making a lot of widowers.
Denethor
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The Elrond/ Galadriel axis, because they are Elves, has no sense of that's my Aunt.
Celebrian's story from the 3rd Age is something of a thing with me. When I argued in my Essays on The Hobbit and how to make it more genuinely adult, I had Thranduil's wife taken and tortured by Azog and Bolg, based on early designs, half-elf, half-orc, as a consequence of a rape.
Bearing that in mind, other than to tick box deep fans completion needs Celebrians story could work well in Season 5. The children are born early, and Sauron, jealous of the loss of his fair form and more nihilistic than ever, orchestrates Mr Tolkien's story early. This puts more angst between Elrond (husband) and Galadriel (mother) with Sauron. Celeborn would need to rock up for that to happen.
I could be entirely wrong, but introducing certain Elves just to hit lineage markers when there are 3,000 years of the third age to go afterwards feels cluttered. Unless they support a particular storyline and feed into existing arcs, why go there? (Other than to honour specific time dates and lineage).
But Bower, being Celeborn, would enable Galadriel to become pregnant, Celebrian to marry Elrond and be ready for children in the third age. Maybe in the brief celebratory period after Sauron is captured and taken to Numenor.
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Otaku-sempai
Elvenhome
Wed, 6:33pm
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Celebrian and The Rings of Power
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This issue here, as I see it, is that we have absolutely no indication that Celebrían even exists in the temporal setting of The Rings of Power. It would be very strange to intruduce her as a young adult Elf this late in the series. And if she appears in show as a newborn (say, in Season 4?) how would you work her tragic story into the Second Age setting of the show? I really don't think that ROP is going to continue into the Third Age, except perhaps as part of the show's epilogue.
As for Celeborn, his role could be expanded by giving him elsments of Glorfindel's story in the Second Age. He coould take a more active role in the war against Sauron and the Dark Lord's rise as the would-be ruler of Men and Lord of Middle-earth.
“Hell hath no fury like that of the uninvolved.” - Jenny Blake Isabella
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