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A "Tolkien Pine" update

noWizardme
Gondolin


Dec 5, 7:30pm

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A "Tolkien Pine" update (please excuse a post assembled in Notepad, because TORN keeps timing out at present - bots, presumably)

A black pine (Pinus nigra) used to live in the Oxford Botanical Gardens.

An elderly JRR Tolkien was photographed sitting under it (in 1973, I think).

There seems to be reasonable consensus that he was fond of this tree. Some go further and say that it inspired him in various specific ways*.

The tree also appears in Philip Pullman's His Dark materials works (or so I am told; I didn't get to the end of those).

In summer 2014, the tree lost a couple of major branches. Some say that it blew down in a storm, but in fact this happened: http://newboards.theonering.net/...i?post=763399#763399

There was some talk about taking the salvageable timber and making things from it.

And it turns out that they did!

https://www.alumni.ox.ac.uk/...ref=oxfordclarion.uk

Meanwhile, a new tree was grown from seed of the old, and on 8 June 2021, to mark the 400th anniversary of the founding of the Botanic Garden, HRH King Charles III planted a new Black Pine raised from a seed from the original tree.


The Oxford Botanical Gardens is a lovely place to go if you are in Oxford, and the new pine is doing well.


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*Perhaps it did of course! But so many things have been said to be the exact inspiration for a specific thing in Tolkien (and often without anything that looks at all like proper research to back the statement up) that I rather fancy attaching a official-looking sign to something in Oxford - a lamp post, maybe -- to the effect that this is the only thing in Oxford that nobody has ever claimed was the inspiration for any specific thing in Tolkien.

And then people would flock to visit it to see if they could work out why it was so uninspiring. And I could enjoy that in some way which I haven't yet worked out...

But no, that wouldn't work: someone would claim it as the one-and-only real-world inspiration for CS Lewis' Lion, Witch and the Wardrobe Narnia lamp post.

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"I am not made for querulous pests." Frodo 'Spooner' Baggins.


Ataahua
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Dec 8, 6:10pm

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That Oxford website isn't accessible. [In reply to] Can't Post

Can you describe what's been done with the wood?

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded beggar with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


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My LOTR fan-fiction


CuriousG
Gondolin


Dec 8, 7:55pm

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Oxford lamp [In reply to] Can't Post

You're just begging for this one (with my edits).


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One lamp they raised near to the north of Middle-earth, and it was named Oxford; and the other was raised in the south, and it was named Cambridge; and the light of the Lamps of the Valar flowed out over the Earth, so that all was lit as it were in a changeless day. It was said by many (save those who had been to the Sorbonne and Monash) that education and enlightenment graced the Eldar of Mercia ever after, reaching even unto Essex, but of course not as far as Cornwall. Oxford most illuminated the practices of Rugby, whereas Cambridge shone forth upon Cricket; badminton was forever lost in their shadows, alas.

In rivalry Melkor raised his own lamp, calling it Eaton, but it was mocked by the Valar as a lesser lamp for younger ages, and when Sauron was discovered selling Eaton diplomas in a lucrative mail fraud scheme, the Eldar spoke of it no more.


So go ahead, tag that lamp, and pump up the tourism visits to Oxford.


(This post was edited by CuriousG on Dec 8, 7:55pm)


noWizardme
Gondolin


Dec 8, 7:56pm

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So it is - it was working when I tested it (honest!) [In reply to] Can't Post

The wood has been planked, seasoned and made into a variely of desk objects such a pen holders and paperweights, which were being sold at an open day last Saturday. I wonder whether those have all been sold now, and that's why the page has been removed?


They also made some boxes for bottles of whisky, and a link to that still seems to be working.

Another thing that didn't quite work in my post was that someone filmed the banches splitting off and I wanted to include a link (don't worry - nobody gets hurt! But you can hear people having to organise marshals quickly to keep anyone from wandering into the danger zone.)
And I can add some different types of fan reactions from when the tree had its accident:
1) The Scholar:


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Dr Stuart Lee, an English academic at Oxford University who has studied the fiction and manuscripts of Tolkien and ran the 2013 Tolkien Spring School in Oxford, said: 'Tolkien hated the wanton destruction of trees for no reason but it sounds to me like this is for all the right reasons so whilst this is sad news, it is inevitable.

'It is often said that the black pine inspired the 'ents' in Lord of the Rings, and it may be he liked the tree and saw something it in that inspired Treebeard, but in fact the ‘ents’ have many sources and ‘ent’ means giant in Old English, and Tolkien’s love of trees goes all the way back to his childhood.'

https://www.ox.ac.uk/...ll-iconic-black-pine


This suggests to me that the ent inspiration theory is more meta-lore (lore about lore) than biography. But I'd be interested if anyone knows more about ideas associating this tree with Tolkien's writing, and where they may have come from.


But there is more to life as a Tolkien fan than scholarly study of the author's biography or sources. So here's:

2) A disappointed Tolkien fan ("Worcester fresher" translates into "a student about to start studying at Worcester College, Oxford" when the tree had to be felled):


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Worcester fresher Jeroen Rijks is one of many new students disappointed not to be able to see the famous black pine. He told Cherwell, “As a die-hard Tolkien fan, I was really looking forward to coming to Oxford and experiencing Tolkien’s inspiration first-hand. It’s upsetting to miss out on seeing the famous tree that Treebeard was based on.”

[elsewhere in the article the writer more cautiously says: "The pinus nigra had become one of the Garden’s most popular tourist attractions after its iconic twisting branches are said to resemble the ‘ents’ in Tolkien’s The Lord of the Rings novels. "]

https://cherwell.org/...from-botanic-garden/



And of course the fanthropology collection would not be complete without

3) And the .... oh dear, oh dear! Crazy


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The [Oxford Botanical] garden has received letters and emails from across the world about "Tolkien's Tree", not all of them positive. "Lots of fanatics who believe they are living in the Shire think [we] are murdering the tree. And they are deadly serious. One particular person has managed to find everyone's work emails, has complained to the city council, and probably a number of other people, actually alleging that we are Saruman," says Dr Foster, in reference to Tolkien's fictional character and main protagonist [sic - NoWiz] in The Lord of the Rings trilogy.

https://www.independent.co.uk/...d-trees-9650390.html


All the more hard to bear when (other parts of the article make clear) the loss of the tree was quite an upset to the Gardens staff. It was a spectacular creature: I remember it well.

Oh: and a correction to my earlier post. The photo of Tolkien and this tree (reproduced in the last article) shows him standing next to it, not sitting under it.

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"I am not made for querulous pests." Frodo 'Spooner' Baggins.

(This post was edited by noWizardme on Dec 8, 8:01pm)


CuriousG
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Dec 8, 8:06pm

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Photo of tree for anyone interested [In reply to] Can't Post



Found here:


Ataahua
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Dec 8, 8:26pm

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Nice. I'm glad they made small items [In reply to] Can't Post

that people could have in their homes as reminders of Tolkien and Middle-earth.

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded beggar with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


Fantasy novel - The Arcanist's Tattoo

My LOTR fan-fiction


noWizardme
Gondolin


Dec 17, 7:05pm

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That page seems to be available again [In reply to] Can't Post

That page describing the items seems to be available again. But just in case it breaks again, a description of the items goes:

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The ‘Black Pine Collection’ was unveiled at the Christmas Fair and continues to be exclusively available on site at the Botanic Garden Boutique.
The full range includes cufflinks, writers’ boxes, paperweights, letter racks, pen pots, pen trays, coasters, bookmarks, and fern and acorn decorations.
Prices range from £20 to £145 and all products come with a limited-edition letterpress authentication booklet created in collaboration with the Oxford-based printer Richard Lawrence. Numbers are quite limited, typically to a few dozen of each.

So perhaps not much wood has been worked up yet. But nice it's more smaller items rather than a few big ones.
Speaaking of which, Tolkien's old desk recently sold for a cool £330,000 GBP Rather more than the GBP 50,000 – GBP 80,000 the auctioneers estimated.

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"I am not made for querulous pests." Frodo 'Spooner' Baggins.


Ioreth
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yes [In reply to] Can't Post

yes, at least I could access it now


Ioreth
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cool [In reply to] Can't Post

nice cool story :)


noWizardme
Gondolin


Mon, 5:50pm

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Thank you. Glad you enjoyed reading it. [In reply to] Can't Post

Meanwhile, Oxford seems to have had a rather literal outbreak of The Knight before Christmas

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’Twas the Knight before Christmas... yes really. We start our penultimate newsletter before Christmas with a note from a Clarion correspondent who reports the sighting of a knight in Summertown:
“He was having a little difficulty with the pelican crossing when I caught up with him. Pressing the button is tricky when you’re wearing metal gauntlets. When I congratulated him on his brave fashion statement, he replied ‘I’m going swimming’ and clanked off towards the Summertown pool. I called there the following day to ask how often they had visitors in armour but the young lady on the desk had not been on duty for a while and did not know.”
Oxford Clarion newspaper 19 December 2025 edition

Smile

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"I am not made for querulous pests." Frodo 'Spooner' Baggins.


Meneldor
Doriath


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Wasn't me. [In reply to] Can't Post

And I have an alibi.



They that go down to the sea in ships, that do business in great waters, these see the works of the Lord, and His wonders in the deep. -Psalm 107

 
 

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