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MouthofSauron
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Oct 12, 3:40am
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Original 2-Movie Timeline/Gandalf departing Mirkwood
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In the original two movie timeline, does anyone know where Gandalf would have gone once he departed Thorin and company at Mirkwood? Originally Gandalf journeyed to the High Fells after leaving Rivendell and then saves the dwarves from the Great Goblin. Would Gandalf had gone to Radagast’s home and persuaded him to come with him to Dol-Guldur?
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Oct 16, 11:14pm
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I don't remember any information about this being released.
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The only titbit I came across was that the original ending of the first film was when Brand, silhouetted as a large man with a cocked arrow, stood above the river-drowned Hobbits after their escape from Mirkwood. I'd be interested to know about more changes between the two-film and three-film script, if anyone's in the know.
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Chen G.
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was basically the three-movie plan, just slightly condensed. That's really why they split it into three movies: they could have had two, 220-minute films in the theatre, or three 165-minute films. They opted with the latter.
FILM ONE:
Included basically everything you see in An Unexpected Journey, minus some extra inserts of Azog: the original idea was for the exposition on Azog to be given out gradually, so that the audience only realizes he's alive when Thorin realizes he's alive at the Forest Ledge: the full backstory would then be done in Beorn's house. They had scripted earlier bits of exposition as part of the Bilbo-narrated prologue and/or in Bag End, as well the bit in the lone-lands that got extended in the pickups.
Besides that, some things would have been intercut differently. Basically the entire Necromancer storyline was spaced out in the trilogy, where originally Gandalf went to the High Fells as the company were braving the High Pass: it makes more geographic sense, and the storm clouds Gandalf espies while talking with Radagast are the ones that beset the Company on the pass. It even stayed in An Unexpected Journey in the three-film version long enough for Howard Shore to score it, in "Edge of the Wild."
The film would then proceed through the first hour and fifteen minutes of The Desolation of Smaug. Again, the Necromancer stuff was going to be more further along, so Bilbo would be exploring the Woodland Realm (I believe the scene of him eavesdropping on Thranduil and Tauriel is a pickup) concurrent to Gandalf exploring Dol Guldur: the Barrel sequence would run concurrent to his dealings with Thrain and final capture by Sauron. Although the part of Thrain - recast for the pickups - was smaller, there were other scenes here like Gandalf glimpsing through a Palantir to see a future where Smaug leads Sauron's armies into battle around Middle-earth.
Naturally, the reconciliation between Thorin and Bilbo was deferred until after the barrel chase: Thorin's "he has no place amongst us" was originally set in Mirkwood (the scenes relating to this plot point in An Unexpected Journey were all pickups), and their espying of a thrush was going to be after the Barrels, before the towering sillhuette of Bard would act as a cliffhanger.
FILM TWO:
Would be the remainder of the trilogy. It begins with the Company on Bard's barge: if you watch knowing this, you will see how this part of the film reintroduces the objective of the quest (the Dwarves see Erebor beyond the mist) and all the new characters, with the introduction of the Master of Laketown following suit. The Bree scene, although it was present in earlier drafts, was not added until the pickups.
As is now well-known, Jackson felt he wanted to rethink the battles at the end, script-wise and in terms of storyboarding. At the time, the battle was scripted on a much more rudimentary level, and a little more like the book with Bilbo and the Elves on Ravenhill. The Battle of the Forges was also not shot, but Jackson was already wanting some sort of confrontation between Thorin and Smaug.
Here, too, there was a lot more of the Dol Guldur storyline that got cut: originally Radagast coming to Gandalf's rescue would find Beorn trapped in the fortress and rescue him, and Gandalf would entreat with him to rally to the aid of Erebor, before going off to Rhun to pursue Sauron. He would divert back to Erebor when he would see a second Orc army rallying in the east towards Erebor: in pickups this was replaced by Legolas and Tauriel espying the second army in Gundabad. Even in the finished film there's a brief shot of Gandalf riding through a barren landscape.
Notice that this latter plot point involves Legolas' rivarly with Bolg. Although Tauriel and Legolas were already going to rescue and heal Kili in Laketown (there was also a later scene where Tauriel would heal one of Bard's daughters on the Lakeshore), the inclusion of Bolg seems a later addition: if he was in the two-film version at all, it would have been in a very small part. In some scenes, one of the lesser Orcs (I want to say Fimbul?) was the leader of the company in Azog's absence.
In earlier drafts there was also talk of a considerable amount of extra plot to do with leading into Fellowship of the Ring: the "bridge movie" that had effectivelly transformed into the upcoming Hunt for Gollum. Ryan Gage was still Drogo Baggins until May 2011 or so: well into the shoot. For a while, they considered giving Mortensen's Aragorn a cameo but couldn't come to grips with it on the page.
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Otaku-sempai
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The only titbit I came across was that the original ending of the first film was when Brand, silhouetted as a large man with a cocked arrow, stood above the river-drowned Hobbits after their escape from Mirkwood. I'd be interested to know about more changes between the two-film and three-film script, if anyone's in the know.
You meant Bard. King Brand was Bard's grandson and could be in a future film that covers the Siege of Erebor near the end of the War of the Ring.
The original two-movie timeline, back when Guillermo del Toro was slated to direct, would have adapted the book in the first film; the second movie would have been the "bridge" film covering events outside of the narrative of the book and leading up to The Lord of the Rings. When del Toro blocked out the events of the novel, he realized that a two-part adaptation would work better for him.
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