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John Jude Palencar's Tolkien illustrations

Compa_Mighty
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Jul 29 2008, 3:52am

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I want to aknowledge WonderBroad for bringing this up in an art thread a while ago.

John Jude Palencar is best known nowadays for being the cover artist of the Inheritance Cycle, by Christopher Paolini, which includes Eragon, Eldest, the upcoming Brisingr, and the future fourth book, which according to Paolini, will have green cover of a green dragon, facing right.

Recently, he was asked to do the cover art for a box paperback set of the Lord of the Rings, which was advertised with something like "new illustrations for a new generation of readers".

There are few illustrations, and here are those I found:

Cover for Fellowship:



Cover for Two Towers: http://www.johnjudepalencar.com/Images/TheTwoTowers.jpg
Cover for Return of the King: http://www.johnjudepalencar.com/.../ReturnOfTheKing.jpg

Cover for the Box set:


Sorry for throwing some images and some links, I only used the images which were already in the forum, and I did not want to hotlink to Jude Palencar's site. I know some of you have made similar threads, showing all the images, help as to how to do it, is appreciated as well. Smile

So what do you think of these covers "for readers of a new generation"?

I personally like those of Inheritance better. There still isn't nothing that quite compares to Howe, Lee or Nasmith.

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Idril Celebrindal
Dor-Lomin


Jul 31 2008, 4:58pm

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Palencar's paintings remind me a bit of Giger's, but are softer and more naturalistic. I've seen his covers for Octavia Butler and Jacqueline Carrey's novels before and enjoyed looking through the illustrations on his site. However, his LOTR covers are probably my least favorite out of all of his illustrations. They are well-executed but seem very static, especially when compared to Howe, Naismith and Lee's illustrations. (I also am not wildly impressed by the "Inheritance" covers; they are nice illustrations of dragons, but I just don't see what all of the fuss is about.)

The box set cover's formal composition is appropriate, though, and I especially like how the fiery Eye of Sauron contrasts with the blue sky and clouds when framed against the grey mountains. The black figure seems to be the Witch King, but I'm not sure who the white figure is supposed to represent. Gandalf the White? King Elessar? Celeborn? Elrond?

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Compa_Mighty
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Jul 31 2008, 11:05pm

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But you are right. It does make you wonder who the white figure is. By the sword, I think it might be Aragorn.

I agree with you in that the covers aren't great, however, I do like the Inheritance covers. Certainly not the best dragons out there, but it seems like they have "personality". I can assure you Eragon sold many books thanks to that cover.

Definitely not the best fantasy painter... but it's interesting to see other views. It has always seemed to me as if Nasmith, Lee and Howe do paint the same world, and are not at all discordant in their representations.

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Xinra
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Feb 6, 12:15am

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For those that stumble across this post in 2025 (or later), I've found the answer to the box art question on the representation of the two figures. According to the artist, John Jude Palencar, the figures represent Good & Evil.


squire
Gondolin


Feb 6, 1:11am

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Did Palencar explain his choice to translate Tolkien's complex binary of Dark (that always contains some Light) and Light (that always contains some Dark) into a far more simplistic pair: Good and Evil, period?

Thanks for following up on an open question so many years later!


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Xinra
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Feb 6, 11:40pm

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I'm sorry, but I didn't ask any of those details. I only wanted to know who (or what) the two figures represented. My suggestion would be to reach out to the artist like I did, and ask him your question. Ciao!


(This post was edited by Xinra on Feb 6, 11:55pm)


Xinra
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I found a Facebook post made by John Jude Palencar dated October, 1, 2023. He explains the slipcase art.
Here's a public screenshot of the post: https://imgur.com/a/Wf5zUFA
https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1Gd6mN4rv4/


noWizardme
Gondolin


10:46am

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Thanks for raising the question and then for finding that Facebook post.
I also like squire's question - perfectly normal in the Reading Room for one question to prompt another (or several different answers, which we then have fun discussing).

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noWizardme
Gondolin


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It's a dangerous business, Frodo, illustrating Mister Tolkien's books [In reply to] Can't Post

In Letter #277 we have Tolkien expressing his dislike of the 1965 Ballantine Books TH, which was illustrated with a lion, two emus and a tree with pink bulbous fruit ("meant to suggest a Christmas Tree", Tolkien reports Ballantine's representative telling him "as if to one of complete obtusity").

Perhaps some forum members remember that cover?

The artist that time was Barbara Remington*, who was working under difficult circumstances:


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Ballantine’s goal was to get the books in the shops quickly, to compete with the unauthorized Ace paperbacks, so they gave Remington very little time to work. She hadn’t then read the novel and had little opportunity to find out anything about it, consequently this surreal and impressionistic thing came into being.

Tolkien, unsurprisingly, hated it. He erupted in dismay at the sight, and to the publisher’s attempts at explanation commented, “I begin to feel that I am shut up in a madhouse.” (A quotation I found singularly apt to use as an epigraph when I came to write on Peter Jackson.)

But to those of us who were weaned on The Lord of the Rings in the early paperback years (this cover was used from the first paperbacks in 1965 until about 1973), we imprinted on this bizarre artwork the way a baby bird will imprint on a plastic doll in the absence of its mother. The transition from a peaceful if inexplicable Shire (emus? pink bulbs?) to the hellhole of a blasted Mordor with what look like tissue-paper monsters writhing in front does, at least, convey the point Bilbo made to Frodo about the world they live in:


It’s a dangerous business, Frodo, going out of your door. You step into the Road, and if you don’t keep your feet, there is no knowing where you might be swept off to. Do you realize that this is the very path that goes through Mirkwood, and that if you let it, it might take you to the Lonely Mountain or even further and to worse places?
David Bratman, writing on the Tolkien Society blog


I suppose that Mr Palencar had the opposite problem to Ms Remington. Any illustrator working since Tolkien has become so famous is unlikely to be asked to illustrate a story with which they've had no contact at all (and so assume, reasonably enough, to illustrate The Lion, The Witch, And The Wardrobe, as it would have been had CS Lewis taken a lot of LSD before writing).

Perhaps Mr Palencar has read LOTR and has interpreted it as a story that can be represented by those binary opposite symbolic figures. (Like you, squire, it doesn't work for me as a representation of Tolkien's more complex binary). But some people do think there's a simple binary**.


Compared with Barbara Remington's day, a different hazard lies in wait for an illustrator now who hasn't already read Tolkien's book, and formed a view of it, which they are then allowed to illustrate. And that's illustrating the popular conception of the work, known through memes, films etc. rather than illustrating the work itself. A bit like Ms Remington after all, the illustrator's client may not allow enough time to read the work carefully, and form a new first-hand understanding to then illustrate. This is a general comment - I have no idea whether it applies to Mr Palencar's work here.

And of course a professional illustrator may be working from an art brief supplied by the publisher, specifying in more or less detail what is wanted. If the client wants figures representing Good and Evil, that's what you do. And whatever is briefed and whoever the ideas come from, the illustrator's work goes back to the publisher for approval. So it's always a group decision.


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* An oddity in Letter #277 is that, as Tolkien reports his telephone coversation with a lady representing Ballantine, she says "But the man hadn't TIME to read the book!" But
Barbara Remington was no man.



**I'm recalling a discussion about someone who is obviously a careful reader who nonethless writes "The Lord of the Rings, with its sweeping Manichaean conflict and monochrome heroism..." (That's this thread to which I responded here (disagreeing about that quote in particular) and here



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