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Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor
Nov 14 2017, 6:24pm
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The original 1969 agreements included an option to purchase "television series rights" for a pittance
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I have copies of the two 1969 agreements in which the film rights were originally sold. With regard to a television series (as opposed to televising a motion picture which is covered in the main provision granting film rights) they granted the purchaser (which at the time was United Artists, but which now is the late Saul Zaentz's Middle-earth Enterprises) the option to purchase rights to a television series so long as it is within five years of the first general release of the last motion picture made from the books, for what appears to be a very small amount of money. To back up for a second, for some reason that I still don't understand, there were two separate agreements in 1969, one between UA and George Allen & Unwin (Tolkien's publisher, and the predecessor of Harper Collins) covering The Hobbit and The Two Towers, and one between UA and "SASSOON TRUSTEE AND EXECUTOR CORPORATION, LTD." which was a trust set up to represent Tolkien's interests, covering FOTR and ROTK. The terms of the two agreements are similar but not identical. With regard to television series, the agreement with Allen & Unwin covering The Hobbit and The Two Towers states:
10. The Seller hereby grants to the Purchaser the option to acquire television series rights in and to the Work. Such option may be exercised by the Purchaser at any time within five (5) years after the first general release of the last motion picture photoplay based upon the Work or THE TRILOGY. · A picture shall be deemed to be the "last motion picture photoplay based upon the Work or THE TRILOGY" if principal photography has not commenced on a subsequent motion picture photoplay within three years from the first general release of the previous motion picture photoplay based upon the Work or THE TRILOGY. "Television series rights" shall be deemed to mean the sole and exclusive right to use a character or characters., characterizations., names of characters., settings locations., themes., or other material ·suggested by or derived from the Work and the titles thereof in different stories, in separate episodes and/or in serial type television programs. Should the Purchaser exercise such option as aforesaid, then the Purchaser shall pay to the Seller the sum of $3,250.00 against the following sums: Two hundred fifty Dollars ($250.00) for each one-half hour episode; and Three hundred thirty three and 33/100 Dollars ($333.33) for each one (1) hour episode; and Five hundred Dollars ($500.OO) for each episode one and one-half (1-1/2) hours or longer. The said sum of $3,250.00 shall apply against the first payment due under the per episode payments. From and after the time when additional sums are payable, such sums shall be paid at or before the commencement of principal photography of each episode. In addition to the foregoing sums, the Seller shall be entitled to receive, and the Purchaser shall pay 25% of the original payment for each of the first four ( 4) re-runs of each such television episode, the fourth of such rerun payments to constitute full and final payment for all subsequent re-run rights without limitation. Nothing in this Paragraph 10 contained shall constitute a requirement on the part of the Purchaser to produce or distribute any television series or episodes, whether or not the option shall have been exercised. And the agreement with Sassoon covering FOTR and ROTK states:
9. The Seller hereby grants to the Purchaser the option to acquire television series rights in and to the Work. Such option may be exercised by the Purchaser at any time within five (5) years after the first general release of the last motion picture photoplay based upon the Work or THE TRILOGY or THE HOBBIT. A picture shall be deemed to be the "last motion picture photoplay based upon the Work or THE TRILOGY or THE HOBBIT" if principal photography has not commenced on a subsequent motion picture photoplay within three years from the first general release of the previous motion picture photoplay based upon the Work or THE TRILOGY or THE HOBBIT. "Television series rights" shall be deemed to mean the sole and exclusive right to use a character or characters, characterizations, names of characters, settings, locations, themes, or other material suggested by or derived from the Work and the titles thereof in different stories, in separate episodes and/or in serial type television programs. Should the Purchaser exercise such option as aforesaid, then the Purchaser shall pay to the Seller the sums set forth on SCHEDUIE B attached hereto and made a part hereof. Nothing in this Paragraph 9 contained shall constitute a requirement on the part of the Purchaser to produce or distribute any television series or episodes, whether or not the option shall have been exercised. SCHEDULE B Should the Purchaser exercise its option as in Paragraph 9 provided, then Purchaser shall pay to the Seller .the sum of Six Thousand Five Hundred ($6,500.00) Dollars against the following sums: Five Hundred ($500.00) Dollars for each one-half (1/2) hour episode; and Six Hundred sixty Six and 67/100 ($666.67) Dollars for each one (1) hour episode; and One Thousand ($1,000.00) Dollars for each episode one and one-half (1-1/2) hours or longer. The said sum of $6,500.00 shall apply against the first payment due under the per episode payment. From and after the time when additional sums are payable, such sums shall be paid at or before the commencement of principal photography of each episode. In addition to the foregoing sums, the Seller shall be entitled to receive, and the Purchaser shall pay twenty five percent (25%) of the original payment for each of the first four (4) re-runs of each such television episode, the fourth of such re-run payments to constitute full and final payment for all subsequent re-rìn rights without limitation. The last motion picture photoplay based upon the Work or THE TRILOGY or THE HOBBIT was released in 2013, so the option to purchase the television rights for some pretty incredibly small numbers (though it is interesting to see that the numbers are slightly higher for FOTR and ROTK than for The Hobbit and The Two Towers) than the numbers being bandied about should have been in play. Moreover, in a filing in the last lawsuit, one the attorneys representing the Tolkien Estate and Trust, Ricardo Cistero of the firm Greenberg Glusker (the firm that Matt Galsor, the person quoted in the press release as representing the "Tolkien Trust and Estate" is the head of the Entertainment Group of) specifically stated that "The 1969 Agreements granted to United Artists certain film, stage and live television rights in and to the literary works by J.R.R. Tolkien, The Hobbit and three volumes comprising The Lord of the Rings (the “Tolkien Works”)." So why is that the "Tolkien Estate and Trust" is able to sell these television rights for all of these millions of dollars that are being reported, and why is that there is no mention in any of the reporting about this deal about Middle-earth Enterprises? I am guessing that the confidential settlement that was signed this past July might have included a clause rescinding the option to purchase television series rights that was contained in the original 1969 agreements and therefore was held by Zaentz's company (or at least a provision in which Zaentz's company agreed not to exercise the option). The reasons that I am guessing that are: (1) the person quoted as representing the Estate and Trust is the head honcho of the law firm that represented them in that lawsuit, thus lending credence to the likelihood that it is related to the settlement of the lawsuit; (2) there does not seem to be any mention of Middle-earth Enterprises in any of the reporting on this deal, thus lending credence to the likelihood that M_E Enterprises gave up the right to exercise the option; and (3) the description of the project refers to it being an LOTR project, even though it states that it takes place before the events of FOTR. The timing makes sense, as the reporting suggests the Estate has been shopping these rights in the past several months, since the settlement was reported. But, of course, we may never know the truth of the matter (unless there is another lawsuit some time in the future allowing me to get my hands on more documents ).
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'Lord of the Rings' TV Series Being Considered By Amazon
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Victariongreyjoy
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Nov 4 2017, 12:50am
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Wow! Just wow.
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Lissuin
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Nov 4 2017, 12:59am
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Pre-emptive reminder that Variety is almost certainly wrong about the Estate being involved
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Eldy
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Nov 4 2017, 1:27am
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Reboot out of the question?
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Victariongreyjoy
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Nov 4 2017, 1:33am
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They just need permission from someone other than the Estate
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Eldy
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Nov 4 2017, 1:59am
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Or...
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Otaku-sempai
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Nov 4 2017, 3:15am
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My first thought wasn’t that Variety was wrong about the estate
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Lindele
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Nov 4 2017, 4:20am
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Christopher Tolkien doesn't like adaptations
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Otaku-sempai
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Nov 4 2017, 4:23am
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Of course
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Lindele
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Nov 4 2017, 4:25am
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It's possible I guess, but I'd be surprised
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Eldy
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Nov 4 2017, 4:31am
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It's possible.
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Darkstone
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Nov 6 2017, 2:16pm
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I noticed someone mentioned that in the Variety comments section.
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Ent Wife
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Nov 4 2017, 4:30am
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It could be the Sil or one of the other books like The Children of Hurin
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Kangi Ska
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Nov 4 2017, 12:25pm
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Is it April and no one told me?
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Aragorn the Elfstone
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Nov 4 2017, 1:40am
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Strange Days Indeed
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Kangi Ska
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Nov 4 2017, 12:29pm
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Middle-earth Enterprises
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Otaku-sempai
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Nov 4 2017, 4:00am
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That was my thought as well.
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Silverlode
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Nov 4 2017, 6:01am
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The fact that the source is Variety
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Kangi Ska
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Nov 4 2017, 12:34pm
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Long time no see, Kangi!
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Otaku-sempai
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Nov 4 2017, 2:27pm
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I was wishing for a BBC adaption
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Kangi Ska
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Nov 4 2017, 2:33pm
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Sorry I meant to say hello.
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Kangi Ska
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Nov 4 2017, 3:54pm
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What amazing timing
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jlj93byu
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Nov 4 2017, 4:30am
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Dream come true!
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Mooseboy018
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Nov 4 2017, 5:59am
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I'm waiting for more info
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cats16
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Nov 4 2017, 7:20am
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Young strider prequel, Angmar vs Arnor, Oath of Eorl?
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Victariongreyjoy
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Nov 4 2017, 10:22am
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Akallabêth?
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Victariongreyjoy
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Nov 4 2017, 11:08am
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"a series based on the classic fantasy novels and their assortment of hobbits, wizards, and warriors"
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squire
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Nov 4 2017, 12:29pm
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All Tauriel, all the time...
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Kangi Ska
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Nov 4 2017, 12:46pm
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Should not reboot LOTR, but...
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Victariongreyjoy
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Nov 4 2017, 1:08pm
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IF Kangi Ska can come out of Retirement? So Can BOMBY
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Bombadil
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Nov 4 2017, 1:37pm
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Hey there, Bomby!
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Otaku-sempai
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Nov 4 2017, 2:41pm
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Good to see you here, Bomby! //
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cats16
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Nov 4 2017, 11:23pm
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THE Once & Future King of Film...?
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Bombadil
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Nov 5 2017, 10:27am
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I doubt that Peter Jackson will be involved.
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Kangi Ska
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Nov 5 2017, 1:34pm
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If this happens...
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No One in Particular
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Nov 5 2017, 2:54pm
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Agreed.
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Otaku-sempai
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Nov 5 2017, 3:03pm
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Casting unknowns
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duats
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Nov 6 2017, 12:53am
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we had a whole separate board for "Casting Rumors" back in the day
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Annael
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Nov 7 2017, 6:01pm
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Well said, Squire.
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Ent Wife
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Nov 4 2017, 10:12pm
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Additional Info check this out
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Kangi Ska
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Nov 4 2017, 3:55pm
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Leave LOTR alone....
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Victariongreyjoy
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Nov 4 2017, 4:03pm
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Maybe later.
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Otaku-sempai
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Nov 4 2017, 4:23pm
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spinoffs
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Mooseboy018
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Nov 4 2017, 6:35pm
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Eowyn and Galadriel?
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Victariongreyjoy
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Nov 4 2017, 7:16pm
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The Women
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Otaku-sempai
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Nov 4 2017, 7:39pm
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I agree.
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Otaku-sempai
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Nov 4 2017, 7:31pm
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Hmmm.
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Otaku-sempai
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Nov 4 2017, 4:16pm
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Art or Cash?
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squire
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Nov 4 2017, 4:44pm
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Thoughts
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cats16
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Nov 4 2017, 10:30pm
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Not even sure about Middle-earth Enterprises
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Otaku-sempai
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Nov 4 2017, 10:37pm
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Reversions
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cats16
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Nov 4 2017, 10:53pm
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I took some time to mull this over...
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Aragorn the Elfstone
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Nov 4 2017, 7:01pm
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I love it!
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Annael
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Nov 7 2017, 5:23pm
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Agree to disagree. ;) //
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Aragorn the Elfstone
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Nov 7 2017, 11:09pm
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on whether we want to see a remake, sure
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Annael
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Nov 9 2017, 3:21pm
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I asked this question many times of the "book purists" back in the day.
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Annael
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Nov 12 2017, 3:38pm
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My apologies.
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Aragorn the Elfstone
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Nov 12 2017, 6:02pm
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I definitely agree with you.
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Beleg Cúthalion
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Nov 13 2017, 6:25am
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Sean Astin: "If it's really good, I'll watch."
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Otaku-sempai
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Nov 13 2017, 6:22pm
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that makes sense
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Annael
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Nov 13 2017, 2:50pm
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Actually...
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Aragorn the Elfstone
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Nov 13 2017, 6:14pm
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On a positive note, though...
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Ent Wife
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Nov 4 2017, 10:21pm
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Should this come to pass, my desire
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SirDennisC
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Nov 5 2017, 1:43am
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Budget
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Mooseboy018
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Nov 5 2017, 3:41am
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I'm sorry, Sir Dennis, but ...
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Fichtenbrenner
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Nov 5 2017, 3:59am
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GOT armor designs
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Victariongreyjoy
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Nov 5 2017, 12:38pm
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Not sure-
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SirDennisC
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Nov 5 2017, 5:55pm
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GOT productions are high class
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Victariongreyjoy
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Nov 5 2017, 7:19pm
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Middle-earth Armor
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Otaku-sempai
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Nov 5 2017, 7:50pm
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Cost and Tolkien Estate
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Victariongreyjoy
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Nov 5 2017, 8:00pm
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Movie Armor
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Otaku-sempai
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Nov 5 2017, 11:43pm
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still lots of armor
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Fichtenbrenner
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Nov 5 2017, 8:12pm
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Yes.
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Otaku-sempai
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Nov 5 2017, 11:45pm
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From the Tolkien artist Ted Nasmith my friend
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Kangi Ska
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Nov 5 2017, 8:25pm
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Needs som battles also
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Victariongreyjoy
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Nov 5 2017, 8:40pm
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The tone should be like Shadow of Mordor game
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Victariongreyjoy
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Nov 5 2017, 10:48pm
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"We need some battles" even though Tolkien didn't
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squire
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Nov 5 2017, 11:15pm
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I am so afraid you might be right, Squire.
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Lissuin
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Nov 6 2017, 2:07am
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Lord of the Rings
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Kangi Ska
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Nov 6 2017, 3:03am
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Battles and action...
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Silmaril
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Nov 6 2017, 2:59pm
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Ted has a point, Kangi.
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Otaku-sempai
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Nov 5 2017, 11:52pm
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Young Strider first, than Numenor
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Victariongreyjoy
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Nov 6 2017, 12:04am
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LOTR
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corsair
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Nov 6 2017, 12:27pm
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Probably little or no First Age.
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Otaku-sempai
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Nov 6 2017, 2:08pm
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If and only if
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Kangi Ska
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Nov 6 2017, 11:27pm
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I have doubts, but maybe.
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Otaku-sempai
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Nov 7 2017, 4:50pm
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Thorongil's Adventures
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Wilros
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Nov 7 2017, 6:07pm
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Hugo Weaving, Lee Pace, Cate Blanchett, Orlando Bloom and Evangeline Lilly
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Victariongreyjoy
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Nov 7 2017, 7:32pm
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Possibly no returning actors.
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Otaku-sempai
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Nov 7 2017, 7:41pm
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I'm looking forward to hearing more about this project
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duats
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Nov 7 2017, 8:01pm
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Some of the PJ film actors may be too expensive
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Fereth
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Nov 14 2017, 2:24am
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I know I'm in the extreme minority here...
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Aragorn the Elfstone
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Nov 14 2017, 2:49am
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Maybe a character inspired by Tauriel?
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Otaku-sempai
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Nov 14 2017, 5:08am
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But then we wouldn’t get Evangeline...
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Aragorn the Elfstone
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Nov 14 2017, 7:41am
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Evangeline Lilly
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Otaku-sempai
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Nov 14 2017, 2:50pm
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I liked Evageline Lilly's performance...
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malickfan
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Nov 14 2017, 12:52pm
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I'd be with you on that.
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Fereth
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Nov 14 2017, 1:53pm
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Bombadil, Goldberry, Old Man Willow need at least TWO HOURS....
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Glaurung63
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Nov 6 2017, 12:20am
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Agreed
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grammaboodawg
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Nov 6 2017, 3:32pm
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Excellent List of Possibilities
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jlj93byu
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Nov 6 2017, 4:28pm
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But ... but ... Tolkien never wrote a word of any of those stories...
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squire
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Nov 6 2017, 7:10pm
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Yes they shouldn't go too overboard with expanding side characters and stories
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lurtz2010
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Nov 6 2017, 9:06pm
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On the other hand...
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Otaku-sempai
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Nov 6 2017, 9:46pm
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Yeah I get that
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lurtz2010
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Nov 6 2017, 10:05pm
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Money, clearly.
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Aragorn the Elfstone
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Nov 6 2017, 10:25pm
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Almost 15 years
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Otaku-sempai
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Nov 6 2017, 10:40pm
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That’s not long.
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Aragorn the Elfstone
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Nov 6 2017, 10:43pm
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Well, I don't expect "fresh" new plots and historic events within an author's established story-world
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squire
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Nov 6 2017, 10:19pm
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I really do agree :)
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grammaboodawg
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Nov 7 2017, 5:12am
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I agree that it's fun to wish
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squire
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Nov 7 2017, 12:39pm
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So true! Thanks :D //
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grammaboodawg
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Nov 8 2017, 1:59am
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The more I think about this, the more angry it makes me.
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Aragorn the Elfstone
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Nov 6 2017, 12:23am
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Remakes NOT? Additional Stories YES!
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Bombadil
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Nov 6 2017, 4:48am
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Cautiously pessimistic, yet tantalized
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NottaSackville
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Nov 6 2017, 2:29pm
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Bro! //
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Alassëa Eruvande
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Nov 6 2017, 8:09pm
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Sis!
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NottaSackville
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Nov 6 2017, 8:53pm
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Yo!
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SirDennisC
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Nov 6 2017, 11:06pm
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Got any shortbread? //
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Alassëa Eruvande
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Nov 7 2017, 10:56pm
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No but it’s about that time again XD /
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SirDennisC
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Nov 8 2017, 12:22am
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My first reaction is the same I had for LotR announcement
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grammaboodawg
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Nov 6 2017, 2:57pm
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I'm having the same reaction.
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Ettelewen
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Nov 7 2017, 12:11am
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That kind of magic doesn't happen twice.
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Aragorn the Elfstone
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Nov 7 2017, 7:51am
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Well said!
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grammaboodawg
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Nov 7 2017, 11:44am
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Yes.....
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dormouse
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Nov 9 2017, 4:17pm
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Hi dormouse!
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Nov 9 2017, 6:27pm
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Hello Voronwe!
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dormouse
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Nov 9 2017, 6:51pm
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Let's hope it IS a Silmarilion series then
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lurtz2010
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Nov 9 2017, 9:01pm
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Peter Jackson's?
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Otaku-sempai
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Nov 9 2017, 9:23pm
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PJ's universe based on Tolkien's universe
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lurtz2010
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Nov 9 2017, 10:02pm
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Yes...as far as it goes.
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Otaku-sempai
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Nov 9 2017, 10:10pm
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Hi Ms Mouse good to see you.
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Kangi Ska
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Nov 9 2017, 11:54pm
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Hello Kangi
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dormouse
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Nov 9 2017, 11:58pm
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A few years ago or was it ..an AGE?
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Bombadil
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Nov 11 2017, 11:42am
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Oh boy
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Name
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Nov 6 2017, 10:11pm
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Welcome back!
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Silverlode
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Nov 6 2017, 11:21pm
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name recognition
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Mooseboy018
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Nov 6 2017, 11:36pm
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Speculation is a Bit like Imagination?
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Bombadil
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Nov 11 2017, 11:52am
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The nice thing about a series
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SirDennisC
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Nov 7 2017, 6:15am
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Highly disrespectful.
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Simon L. de Paiva
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Nov 6 2017, 11:59pm
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It'll be impossible to surpass PJs LOTR
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lurtz2010
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Nov 7 2017, 10:17am
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Peter Jackson
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Victariongreyjoy
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Nov 7 2017, 12:21pm
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as I said elsewhere
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Annael
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Nov 7 2017, 5:30pm
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If Star Trek Discovery is a benchmark, we should all be nervous as hell...
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Dunadan of North Arnor
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Nov 7 2017, 8:30am
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We haven't had Star Trek Discovery down here yet.
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Ataahua
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Nov 7 2017, 5:25pm
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I LOVE Star Trek Discovery
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Annael
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Nov 7 2017, 5:26pm
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Back
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Arannir
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Nov 7 2017, 2:34pm
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Let us not place PJ's pedestal above the Professor's
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Nomad
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Nov 7 2017, 5:57pm
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and this one:
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Annael
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Nov 7 2017, 7:36pm
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Well, PJ's original Miramax script was worse.
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Darkstone
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Nov 7 2017, 8:36pm
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Painful to read //
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Nomad
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Nov 7 2017, 8:43pm
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cautiously optimistic
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Doriath
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Nov 7 2017, 8:12pm
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Same here
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duats
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Nov 7 2017, 8:16pm
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My own thoughts on this matter...
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Beleg Cúthalion
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Nov 8 2017, 12:16am
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A new GoT
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Arannir
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Nov 8 2017, 1:34pm
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Perhaps you are right.
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Beleg Cúthalion
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Nov 8 2017, 7:40pm
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hope
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Doriath
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Nov 8 2017, 8:09pm
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I admire your optimism.
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Beleg Cúthalion
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Nov 8 2017, 9:03pm
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I'm cautiously optimistic, myself.
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Otaku-sempai
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Nov 8 2017, 10:00pm
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Stephen Colbert, perhaps?
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Lissuin
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Nov 8 2017, 10:11pm
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Hmmm...
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Otaku-sempai
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Nov 8 2017, 10:59pm
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That one's tough
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Petty Dwarf
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Nov 8 2017, 11:06pm
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Cautiously optimistic...
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Aragorn the Elfstone
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Nov 8 2017, 10:34pm
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Well...
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Otaku-sempai
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Nov 8 2017, 10:57pm
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I had not actually considered that.
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Beleg Cúthalion
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Nov 8 2017, 10:39pm
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Can't resist...
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squire
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Nov 8 2017, 11:34pm
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*chuckle* Thanks for reviving that post, squire! //
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Ettelewen
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Nov 9 2017, 12:04am
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Post Necromancy
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Otaku-sempai
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Nov 9 2017, 1:31am
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I would be interested in this.
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Petty Dwarf
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Nov 8 2017, 10:30pm
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Article in the Sunday Times says the family is involved
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Kangi Ska
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Nov 8 2017, 11:44pm
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At least to some extent.
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Otaku-sempai
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Nov 9 2017, 1:30am
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The Tolkien Family Involvment
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Kangi Ska
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Nov 9 2017, 3:37am
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Too many unknowns.
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Otaku-sempai
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Nov 9 2017, 4:21am
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Question since I don't have a Times subscription
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Eldy
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Nov 9 2017, 6:45am
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Interesting...
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Arannir
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Nov 9 2017, 9:23am
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You’v hit on something that I fear greatly...
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Aragorn the Elfstone
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Nov 9 2017, 9:45am
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Sean Astin
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Arannir
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Nov 9 2017, 9:48am
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Not necessarily.
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Otaku-sempai
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Nov 9 2017, 2:43pm
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Not sure how I feel about this...
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malickfan
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Nov 10 2017, 8:34am
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Ted Nasmith
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Mooseboy018
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Nov 10 2017, 9:16am
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Ted Nasmith paperback editions...
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Aragorn the Elfstone
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Nov 10 2017, 9:23am
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When Bomby retired from TORn awhile back?
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Bombadil
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Nov 12 2017, 6:11am
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Nice insights Bomby.
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Ettelewen
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Nov 13 2017, 12:19am
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Ah - yes, I can see that would give you something to hope for....
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dormouse
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Nov 10 2017, 2:50pm
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Why are you sure that Alan Lee would not be involved?
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Nov 10 2017, 5:35pm
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I'm sure he could be asked....
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dormouse
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Nov 10 2017, 7:45pm
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I take your point
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Nov 10 2017, 7:55pm
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Does anyone know.....
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Jettorex
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Nov 10 2017, 8:26pm
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Not yet.
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Otaku-sempai
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Nov 10 2017, 8:34pm
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WB does not have any television rights
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Nov 10 2017, 8:40pm
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Maybe, maybe not.
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Otaku-sempai
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Nov 10 2017, 9:00pm
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Hey Voronwe
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Altaira
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Nov 14 2017, 4:51pm
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Other Rights?
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Otaku-sempai
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Nov 14 2017, 5:42pm
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Not quite the "Original Version"
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Otaku-sempai
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Nov 14 2017, 6:07pm
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The original 1969 agreements included an option to purchase "television series rights" for a pittance
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Nov 14 2017, 6:24pm
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Another tidbit that I just learned
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Nov 14 2017, 10:28pm
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Well that answers that...
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Aragorn the Elfstone
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Nov 14 2017, 10:33pm
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Yeah, I've been trying to reconcile
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Silverlode
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Nov 15 2017, 12:26am
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That makes me sad!
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Ardamírë
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Nov 14 2017, 11:38pm
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Going out on a high note
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Nov 14 2017, 11:59pm
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Christopher Tolkien
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squire
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Nov 15 2017, 3:29am
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Thank you!!
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Altaira
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Nov 15 2017, 1:02am
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I took it the way you meant it
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Nov 15 2017, 2:43am
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Very Interesting
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imin
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Nov 11 2017, 6:00pm
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Frodo (Elijah Wood) on the Possible remake of LotR
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Kangi Ska
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Nov 13 2017, 1:12pm
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This looks like confirmation
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Kangi Ska
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Nov 13 2017, 6:40pm
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Good..
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Bombadil
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Nov 13 2017, 8:30pm
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The " 3 Circus Rings of Finance" involved now? don't interest bomby.
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Bombadil
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Nov 14 2017, 6:53am
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Great news
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NecromancerRising
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Nov 17 2017, 6:51am
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WOW
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EomundDaughter
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Jun 4 2018, 12:54pm
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Hi there!
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Otaku-sempai
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Jun 4 2018, 2:57pm
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