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Contrasting variations, then.

Curious
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Apr 7 2008, 1:02pm


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First, I’ll ask a similar question: what is the point of discussing what should be done with the Ring in the Council of Elrond chapter when Elrond knows what should be done?


It's all about persuading Frodo to volunteer, and perhaps persuading people like Boromir to go along.


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The first time around, they formed a cohesive fellowship and set out together; this time, they scatter and fragment into groups.


They are both councils, and that naturally sets up a comparison, but the contrasts far outnumber the similarities. The first is the model of a successful council in Tolkien's world; the second the model of an unsuccessful one.


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...the end result is the same, Frodo sees the whole state of affairs and makes his decision, and Sam takes steps, unbidden, to go with him.


In the present chapter, Frodo and Sam' actions are not a result of the council, but rather despite the council. Frodo does not take part, and Sam knows from the outset that it is pointless because Frodo has already made up his mind.


Subject User Time
Breaking of the Fellowship part 5 Milady Send a private message to Milady Apr 5 2008, 12:47am
    Ok, I'll try a few of these... Laerasëa Send a private message to Laerasëa Apr 5 2008, 4:03am
    Thoughts. Curious Send a private message to Curious Apr 5 2008, 3:12pm
    I'm reminded of Modtheow Send a private message to Modtheow Apr 5 2008, 7:49pm
        This council, however, is incomplete. Curious Send a private message to Curious Apr 5 2008, 8:11pm
            a variation on a theme, maybe Modtheow Send a private message to Modtheow Apr 6 2008, 1:47pm
                Contrasting variations, then. Curious Send a private message to Curious Apr 7 2008, 1:02pm
                    By definition Modtheow Send a private message to Modtheow Apr 8 2008, 5:17pm
                        I agree. Curious Send a private message to Curious Apr 8 2008, 7:40pm
                        Nice point about the “Big Picture”. // N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Mar 22 2009, 9:03am
        That's interesting Milady Send a private message to Milady Apr 5 2008, 10:08pm
    Collapse sador Send a private message to sador Apr 5 2008, 9:58pm
    Panic in the Ranks Dreamdeer Send a private message to Dreamdeer Apr 6 2008, 11:58pm
    One thing FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Apr 7 2008, 4:51pm
    Well Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Apr 8 2008, 6:12pm

 
 
 

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