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Breaking of the Fellowship part 5

Milady
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Apr 5 2008, 12:47am


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Sorry this took so long.

Merry now stringently protests this decree, arguing that he and Pippin can’t leave Frodo. He didn’t know what that would mean, though, and says “It would be mad and cruel to let Frodo come to Mordor. Why can’t we stop him?”

A. If Frodo was prevented from going, who does Merry think should go instead? Why is Merry suddenly rethinking the decision of much older and wiser people than he when he agreed with it before?

Pippin agrees, and then claims that that is the real reason Frodo is delaying: he knows they won’t let him go to Mordor alone, and he wouldn’t ask anyone to go with him (and he turns out to be right).

At this point Sam finally steps up and speaks, and reveals to the Company that Frodo knows what to do but doesn’t want to do it. Sam brushes off Minas Tirith, apologizes, and brings to the attention of the rest of the Company that Boromir isn’t there.

B. Why didn’t anyone else notice Boromir wasn’t there? Wouldn’t somebody have noticed an absence of hints suggesting Gondor?

Sam continues by saying that Frodo is afraid, echoing what Frodo said to Boromir. “Now it’s come to the point, he’s just plain terrified. That’s what his trouble is. Of course he’s had a bit of schooling, so to speak—we all have—since we left home, or he’d be so terrified he’d just fling the Ring in the River and bolt.” Sam says Frodo knows that everyone wants to go with him, but wants to go alone.

Aragorn says that Sam speaks wisely, and Pippin protests that they have to stop him. Aragorn says they can’t, because it is Frodo’s decision as the Bearer and it’s not their job to push him one way or another.

C. If it’s not their job to help Frodo decide, why were they about to try a vote a few minutes ago to help him decide?

At this point Boromir shows up again, and admits to the rest of the Company that he frightened Frodo into putting on the Ring. “I found him some way up the hill, and I spoke to him. I urged him to come to Minas Tirith and not to go east. I grew angry and he left me. He vanished. […] I thought he would return to you.” Aragorn asks if that’s all Boromir has to say; for now, it is. “I will say no more yet.”

D. When was Boromir planning on telling them the full story, if not now? He knew he would have to eventually, so why doesn’t he do it now?

Sam panics, knowing Frodo wouldn’t put the ring on for no good reason. Merry is of the more practical (yet still panicky) opinion that Frodo wouldn’t have kept it on after he’d escaped the “unwelcome visitor.” Pippin also panics, and Aragorn asks how long ago Boromir scared Frodo. Once the response “it might be an hour” is given, Aragorn tries in vain to stop them, but the hobbits run off, along with even Legolas and Gimli. “A sudden panic or madness seemed to have fallen on the Company.”

E. Why does a sudden panic or madness fall on the Company? Merry has just pointed out that Frodo would have taken off the Ring anyway, but everyone runs off.

Has anyone ever wondered what would have happened if Smaug had ate Bilbo, and therefore the ring? It would be interesting to see Sauron send orcs to go diving for the Ring.

Subject User Time
Breaking of the Fellowship part 5 Milady Send a private message to Milady Apr 5 2008, 12:47am
    Ok, I'll try a few of these... Laerasëa Send a private message to Laerasëa Apr 5 2008, 4:03am
    Thoughts. Curious Send a private message to Curious Apr 5 2008, 3:12pm
    I'm reminded of Modtheow Send a private message to Modtheow Apr 5 2008, 7:49pm
        This council, however, is incomplete. Curious Send a private message to Curious Apr 5 2008, 8:11pm
            a variation on a theme, maybe Modtheow Send a private message to Modtheow Apr 6 2008, 1:47pm
                Contrasting variations, then. Curious Send a private message to Curious Apr 7 2008, 1:02pm
                    By definition Modtheow Send a private message to Modtheow Apr 8 2008, 5:17pm
                        I agree. Curious Send a private message to Curious Apr 8 2008, 7:40pm
                        Nice point about the “Big Picture”. // N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Mar 22 2009, 9:03am
        That's interesting Milady Send a private message to Milady Apr 5 2008, 10:08pm
    Collapse sador Send a private message to sador Apr 5 2008, 9:58pm
    Panic in the Ranks Dreamdeer Send a private message to Dreamdeer Apr 6 2008, 11:58pm
    One thing FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Apr 7 2008, 4:51pm
    Well Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Apr 8 2008, 6:12pm

 
 
 

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