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Otaku-sempai
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Feb 7 2014, 2:50pm
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Brethil, it is helpful to keep your comments outside of the original quote. Like so: Galadriel picks her words very carefully, and doesn't even want to use the word "magic," for example. So I don't take it lightly when she says to Frodo, when he offers her the Ring, "Gently are you revenged for my testing of your heart at our first meeting." She not only says "revenge," which is something you seek when you are wronged, she makes it sound like he has a right to seek it, and she even compliments him for going about it "gently." I think she felt a certain guilt about what she did. I find her intimacy with and support for Frodo at the Mirror episode to be her own resolution of having tested him at the beginning. Nice use of the interactions here. I always loved that bit at the Mirror, because in so much other fantasy the Queen would never take the little guy seriously. She does: because he DID pass her test, probably beyond what she ever expected by offering her the Ring. She may have felt guilt, but I'm not sure...it seems more like it is mere awareness of how it might be perceived. Certainly she has enough confidence to cast some humor into it. But you are right in that it brings their dynamic sort of full circle, even though Frodo's 'test' is done in innocence. It helps keep clear what is being quoted and what is the reply.
'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring
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Unfinished Tales Discussion: The History of Celeborn and Galadriel
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Mikah
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Feb 3 2014, 3:47am
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I haven't really looked into this all that closely.
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Escapist
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Feb 3 2014, 3:58am
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Brainstorming
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Mikah
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Feb 4 2014, 4:12am
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Tolkien's "dark lady"?
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noWizardme
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Feb 4 2014, 9:24pm
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Go West, Elven Lady!(?)
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Rembrethil
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Feb 5 2014, 2:59am
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You make an excellent point.......
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Mikah
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Feb 5 2014, 8:17am
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Banned
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CuriousG
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Feb 5 2014, 3:59am
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A quote that might help
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FarFromHome
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Feb 5 2014, 10:19am
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The same shadow
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Brethil
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Feb 5 2014, 7:02pm
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"In him she perceived a darkness that she hated and feared,
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CuriousG
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Feb 5 2014, 4:31am
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Commander in Chief
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Brethil
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Feb 5 2014, 7:19pm
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A little tricksy??
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Mikah
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Feb 6 2014, 4:33am
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Tricksy indeed...
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Brethil
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Feb 6 2014, 4:49am
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Pragmatism
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CuriousG
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Feb 6 2014, 6:27pm
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Testing, testing
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Brethil
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Feb 7 2014, 5:10am
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I would say more on this subject
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CuriousG
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Feb 7 2014, 5:50am
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Yes, your dish-water tells you much CG
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Brethil
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Feb 7 2014, 4:51pm
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Posting Clarity
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Otaku-sempai
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Feb 7 2014, 2:50pm
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Clarity with new browser. An issue!
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Brethil
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Feb 7 2014, 4:29pm
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Two things to try
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FarFromHome
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Feb 7 2014, 5:05pm
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Freedom!
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Brethil
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Feb 7 2014, 5:20pm
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Curses! It will take us Ages to box you up again! //
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CuriousG
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Feb 7 2014, 6:27pm
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No more boxes for us Precious! No! //
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Brethil
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Feb 7 2014, 6:55pm
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My sympathy for your IE problem.
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Otaku-sempai
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Feb 7 2014, 6:31pm
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Happily FFH got me unboxed...
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Brethil
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Feb 7 2014, 6:56pm
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Happy TORNversary, Brethil!
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CuriousG
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Feb 6 2014, 11:17pm
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Thank you, thank you!
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Brethil
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Feb 7 2014, 2:25am
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Wait, do you have a secret identity?//
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Elizabeth
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Feb 7 2014, 3:21am
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(*shoves cape under chair*) No secret identity - but some forgotten ones!
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Brethil
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Feb 7 2014, 3:36am
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Wow!!
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Rembrethil
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Feb 3 2014, 4:27pm
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Celeborn/Thranduil....confused much?
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Mikah
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Feb 4 2014, 4:48am
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The "Virgin Mary" comparison...
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Elizabeth
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Feb 4 2014, 5:35am
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Mary, Mary...
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FarFromHome
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Feb 4 2014, 11:41am
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This is a wonderful chapter lead off Mikah!
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Brethil
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Feb 4 2014, 8:32pm
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Slightly less confused now...
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Mikah
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Feb 5 2014, 7:54am
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Galadriel and Feanor parallels
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Brethil
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Feb 5 2014, 7:34pm
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That's the burning question
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demnation
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Feb 3 2014, 6:12pm
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Galadriel was the single biggest alteration that LotR made to the existing Silmarillion
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squire
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Feb 3 2014, 8:23pm
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You summarized my feelings personally...
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Mikah
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Feb 4 2014, 5:15am
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Celeborn, the wisest of the elves...
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noWizardme
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Feb 4 2014, 9:12pm
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Celeborn
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nandorin elf
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Feb 5 2014, 2:27am
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Ah yes Nandorin!
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Mikah
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Feb 5 2014, 6:57am
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Maybe Celeborn's true wisdom is...
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noWizardme
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Feb 5 2014, 9:31am
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Wise he was indeed!
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Mikah
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Feb 6 2014, 3:23am
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Perhaps....
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Rembrethil
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Feb 7 2014, 2:07am
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Galadriel and Athena
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Rembrethil
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Feb 4 2014, 2:39pm
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And wisdom
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simplyaven
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Feb 5 2014, 12:50am
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The Significance of Galdriel...
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Mikah
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Feb 4 2014, 5:02am
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I have this mental image
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Meneldor
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Feb 4 2014, 4:47pm
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*Mods up*//
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Elizabeth
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Feb 4 2014, 6:54pm
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Admittedly...
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elaen32
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Feb 4 2014, 7:36pm
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Well done!
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sador
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Feb 4 2014, 7:56pm
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Thank you Sador...
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Mikah
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Feb 5 2014, 7:12am
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Galadriel the slayer?
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Elthir
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Feb 5 2014, 6:49pm
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And my question to you!
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Mikah
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Feb 6 2014, 4:13am
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Of Galadriel and ... who?
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CuriousG
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Feb 5 2014, 3:50am
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OH! You mean Celeborn!
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Mikah
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Feb 5 2014, 8:35am
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Hey, who are you calling personality-free?
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FarFromHome
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Feb 5 2014, 10:00am
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Galadriel as chessmaster
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CuriousG
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Feb 5 2014, 4:52am
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There's more.
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FarFromHome
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Feb 5 2014, 9:50am
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"Based on 'philosophical' rather than 'historical' considerations"
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sador
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Feb 5 2014, 4:06pm
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At first glance...
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Mikah
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Feb 6 2014, 3:57am
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Correlating Galadriel and Mary
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Brethil
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Feb 6 2014, 4:20am
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Tolkien and Faith
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Mikah
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Feb 6 2014, 5:06am
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Some random Mary and Galadriel thoughts
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Brethil
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Feb 7 2014, 6:01am
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Mary as intercessor re: Galadriel
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CuriousG
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Feb 7 2014, 5:11pm
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Life changes and Galadriel
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Brethil
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Feb 7 2014, 5:26pm
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Holy light, Holy Spirit?
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Meneldor
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Feb 7 2014, 5:51pm
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Indirectly, I suppose
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CuriousG
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Feb 7 2014, 6:43pm
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Intercession
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Brethil
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Feb 7 2014, 6:09pm
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Perfect! You're right on there.
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CuriousG
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Feb 7 2014, 6:30pm
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Intercession and the Ban
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Brethil
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Feb 7 2014, 7:03pm
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Just to point out.
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sador
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Feb 9 2014, 3:18pm
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Or perhaps using Valimar (?)
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Brethil
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Feb 11 2014, 5:24pm
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Maybe that's a bit too literal
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FarFromHome
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Feb 7 2014, 7:46pm
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Thanks for making that distinction
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CuriousG
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Feb 8 2014, 12:33am
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Totally agree.
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FarFromHome
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Feb 8 2014, 11:29am
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Exactly what I thought FFH
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elaen32
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Feb 8 2014, 7:49pm
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I love the point about Joseph that you have made!
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Brethil
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Feb 8 2014, 8:54pm
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Interesting!
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Elthir
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Feb 8 2014, 5:11pm
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'if still to Frodo?'
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Elthir
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Feb 8 2014, 5:29pm
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Interpreting the Ban (?)
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Brethil
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Feb 8 2014, 6:38pm
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Adding one more thought...
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Brethil
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Feb 8 2014, 6:59pm
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Interesting....
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elaen32
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Feb 8 2014, 8:02pm
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Pride and diminishment
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Brethil
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Feb 8 2014, 9:19pm
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My personal take on it is....
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elaen32
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Feb 8 2014, 9:26pm
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My attempt to interpret the Ban
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FarFromHome
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Feb 8 2014, 8:25pm
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I can't ban the ban...
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Elthir
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Feb 8 2014, 10:21pm
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Yes, the sticking point!
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Brethil
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Feb 8 2014, 10:41pm
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other points of view
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Elthir
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Feb 9 2014, 12:35pm
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Thanks back Elthir!
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Brethil
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Feb 10 2014, 1:23am
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Those are great quotes.
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FarFromHome
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Feb 9 2014, 12:22pm
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Very well said!
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Elthir
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Feb 9 2014, 12:29pm
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Excellent
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squire
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Feb 9 2014, 2:00pm
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looking for canon
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Elthir
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Feb 9 2014, 2:47pm
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It makes things more confusing
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demnation
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Feb 9 2014, 7:00pm
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I do love your interpretation
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Brethil
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Feb 8 2014, 10:46pm
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Terrific synthesis of it all //
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CuriousG
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Feb 9 2014, 12:05am
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Why o why?
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sador
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Feb 6 2014, 11:56am
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"though we sowed the seed of dragons, 'twas our right"
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FarFromHome
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Feb 6 2014, 5:23pm
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Yes, of course! But he was young then...
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sador
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Feb 6 2014, 6:17pm
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Christopher's views were very different than his fathers
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Feb 6 2014, 6:47pm
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Letter 250?
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sador
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Feb 10 2014, 12:43pm
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And Letter 267
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FarFromHome
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Feb 11 2014, 9:51am
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"But I'm sure Tolkien had his doubts."
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FarFromHome
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Feb 11 2014, 3:20pm
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This post is a pleasure to read FFH.
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Brethil
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Feb 11 2014, 5:25pm
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Thanks Brethil! //
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FarFromHome
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Feb 11 2014, 9:24pm
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world building
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Elthir
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Feb 11 2014, 7:32pm
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Also not disagreeing...
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FarFromHome
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Feb 11 2014, 10:09pm
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Aragorn vs. Galadriel
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CuriousG
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Feb 6 2014, 6:46pm
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Thank you everyone...
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elf-lady
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Feb 7 2014, 3:15pm
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And thank you for your comments, elf-lady!
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CuriousG
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Feb 7 2014, 4:53pm
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Glad to have you around Elf-lady!
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Brethil
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Feb 7 2014, 4:55pm
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Answers at last
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sador
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Feb 9 2014, 5:21pm
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Kudos to Everybody Regarding this Thread & All the Postings
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ltnjmy
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Feb 11 2014, 8:32pm
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Thanks for the kind words, Itnjmy
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CuriousG
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Feb 11 2014, 10:06pm
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Thank you CuriousGeorge...
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Mikah
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Feb 12 2014, 6:43am
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We are happy to have you around Mikah!
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Brethil
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Feb 13 2014, 3:01am
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Hey, look who just became Half-Elven!!!!
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CuriousG
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Feb 13 2014, 5:09pm
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Thank you!
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Brethil
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Feb 13 2014, 5:45pm
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Just caught up with this thread
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Na Vedui
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Feb 13 2014, 3:46pm
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This is lovely - thanks for the link! //
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Brethil
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Feb 13 2014, 5:40pm
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A big thanks to everyone for their maturity and civility
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CuriousG
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Feb 12 2014, 10:40pm
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Wonderfully stated CG. //
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Brethil
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Feb 13 2014, 2:59am
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My thoughts
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DaughterofLaketown
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Mar 22 2014, 10:34pm
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