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Or is there breaking, and then there's breaking?

CuriousG
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Dec 24 2013, 9:27pm


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The mechanics of wizard staffs are never clear to me given the little info we have on them. It really does seem that Gandalf put all his power into breaking the bridge at Khazad-dum and should have been left at a disadvantage in fighting the Balrog, but it seems that's when the fight *really* began. I know he had Narya, but even though it was a ring of fire, it wasn't meant for war. (Or so Elrond says. But Galadriel contradicts that by saying that Nenya protects Lorien. Another mystery.)

Anyway, I wonder if it's the manner of breaking that matters. Gandalf broke Saruman's staff in a ceremonial removal of him from the Istari ranks, and he did so as an enhanced Istari. I don't think Gandalf the Grey could have had the same effect on Saruman and his staff; G. the White was empowered by the Valar and/or Eru to do a lot more than the Grey did. Breaking Saruman's staff was an act of divine authority.

When Gandalf's staff broke, he was invoking magic in a duel. Was it that different from the duel they had over the chamber door, which was so great a strain that it shattered it? There was no divine emissary revoking Gandalf's credentials.

Then again, Gandalf the White needed his staff to play his tricks, as he made clear at Edoras, so even with his overhaul, he needed it. It remains unclear and probably belongs in the same mystery category of what happens to Nazgul when their undead bodies that can't be killed are somehow killed in a Rivendell flood, or rendered unusable somehow, but it doesn't kill them.

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Is there a Link to "The Power within Wizard's Staffs"? Bombadil Send a private message to Bombadil Dec 22 2013, 3:05am
    Always thought the staff was more a channeling device sevilodorf Send a private message to sevilodorf Dec 22 2013, 5:54pm
        I agree about the channeling device Fredeghar Wayfarer Send a private message to Fredeghar Wayfarer Dec 22 2013, 6:29pm
    no book Gandalf Send a private message to book Gandalf Dec 22 2013, 8:01pm
    Michael Martinez brings up a good point sevilodorf Send a private message to sevilodorf Dec 23 2013, 2:00am
        Thanx sev...Micheal's other quote is very Smart.. Bombadil Send a private message to Bombadil Dec 23 2013, 5:35pm
            Perhaps Rembrethil Send a private message to Rembrethil Dec 24 2013, 5:30am
                Or is there breaking, and then there's breaking? CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Dec 24 2013, 9:27pm
                    Rings and staves Rembrethil Send a private message to Rembrethil Dec 24 2013, 9:36pm
    ...Gandalf lifted his staff, Meneldor Send a private message to Meneldor Dec 23 2013, 6:31pm
        An alternate idea Belegdir Send a private message to Belegdir Dec 23 2013, 7:40pm
            So you're saying Meneldor Send a private message to Meneldor Dec 24 2013, 5:19am
    There seems to be at least two different aspects to consider. Plurmo Send a private message to Plurmo Dec 24 2013, 5:57am
        The Reverend had the interesting idea that the staff was the repository for the bits of a Maiar that were inconsistent with human form noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Dec 24 2013, 5:11pm

 
 
 

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