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noWizardme
Half-elven
Nov 18 2013, 4:20pm
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that I would bet most of my belongings it was based directly on JRRT's WW1 experience. I have no doubt that he saw something like that and thought Sam's thoughts, and the incident made such an impression that it was still clear in his mind's eye decades later.
Yes, I think so too. It's also one of the passages I discuss in my TAS piece (which appears this Thursday, 21 November). I will be explaining why I think that particular passage has some clever writerly stuff.
Disclaimers: The words of noWizardme may stand on their heads! I'm often wrong about things, and its fun to be taught more....
"nowimė I am in the West, Furincurunir to the Dwarves (or at least, to their best friend) and by other names in other lands. Mostly they just say 'Oh no it's him - look busy!' "
Or "Hold off! unhand me, grey-beard loon!"
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Tolkien's redshirts?
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noWizardme
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Nov 13 2013, 7:21pm
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Forlong, Hirluin, Duilin, Derufin, and perhaps Grimbold?
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Darkstone
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Nov 13 2013, 8:15pm
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That doesn't seem like Tolkien's style ("My God, they killed Merry!")
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squire
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Nov 13 2013, 8:22pm
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Interesting thought- I wonder who the earliest literary redshirt would be? //
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noWizardme
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Nov 13 2013, 9:18pm
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Odysseus' crew?
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Darkstone
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Nov 13 2013, 9:36pm
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But do we know anything of them?
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sador
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Nov 14 2013, 6:17pm
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Beowulf. Not the earliest, but an early literary reference.
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Lissuin
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Nov 13 2013, 11:53pm
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A good example!
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noWizardme
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Nov 14 2013, 12:14pm
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As a matter of fact, Hunthor (my second suggestion) is a better example
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sador
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Nov 14 2013, 6:09pm
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Not earliest, but an example Tolkien and his readers would know well.
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sador
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Nov 14 2013, 9:25pm
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Redshirts in Tolkien-inspired fantasy
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DwellerInDale
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Nov 14 2013, 4:24am
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In The Hobbit
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Lightfoot
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Nov 14 2013, 2:02am
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Two different groups of ponies die too!
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elaen32
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Nov 14 2013, 9:32pm
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Hirgon and his companion; Halbarad
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Elizabeth
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Nov 14 2013, 6:40pm
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I'm not sure, I think it depends how pedantic one is.
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squire
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Nov 14 2013, 7:18pm
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These red shirts don't fit all that well
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noWizardme
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Nov 14 2013, 9:58pm
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How about the brief appearance of this red-cloaked unfortunate?
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noWizardme
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Nov 17 2013, 11:46am
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That scene is written so vividly
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Meneldor
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Nov 17 2013, 11:14pm
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The dead Southron:
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noWizardme
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Nov 18 2013, 4:20pm
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I've always thought Boromir
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FarFromHome
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Nov 14 2013, 10:16pm
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I never thought so myself
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sador
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Nov 15 2013, 9:25am
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Well I'm glad somebody thinks so!
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FarFromHome
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Nov 15 2013, 12:23pm
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Ok, then, what about Theodred? Hama?
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Elizabeth
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Nov 14 2013, 10:38pm
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Theodred
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Na Vedui
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Nov 15 2013, 12:37am
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Anyone who disagreed with Gandalf
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Hamfast Gamgee
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Nov 16 2013, 12:52am
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Turin and Beren's companions
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Hamfast Gamgee
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Nov 20 2013, 12:28am
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I think the death of Turin's companions served a different purpose.
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Kalimac
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Nov 24 2013, 11:16pm
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