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Brethil
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Nov 14 2013, 8:44pm
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I love the way you lay all this out CG
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Although, one could maybe argue that her testing of the fellowship is morally ambiguous. There's a discussion in that I reckon. I will take her side on this one. We only get to see two powerful Elves in action in LOTR, and Elrond is all talk and contemplation. No magic mirrors or phials, and no revealing of his ring to Frodo. I'm not faulting him. Just that he seems rather passive. Galadriel is the Elf of action, summoning White Councils in the past, exposing Frodo to her ring and mirror, dispensing special gifts to the Fellowship, sending an Eagle to look for Gandalf's body after his Balrog fight, sending prophetic messages to Aragorn and Legolas (and a flirtatious one to Gimli), and attacking Dol Guldur after Sauron's fall. It seems to me that she takes on a great part of the responsibility for success in "the long defeat," so it's only natural for her to interrogate the Fellowship when they arrive in her court. She would seem irresponsible if she let them pass through her realm without looking for any problems in their ranks. In addition to that, I think her telepathic probing/tempting of them is a reproduction of what the Ring does/would do to them anyway, so she's toughening them up for what may come. Did Sam later pass his own test in Mordor successfully (when tempted to become a giant gardener to heal the land), because Galadriel had already given him a test of her own? That's a stretch, but I wonder about it nevertheless. Though I think she was justified, I wouldn't personally want her to invade my mind, uninvited, performing interrogation tricks in the name of the greater good. So there is some moral ambiguity there. Couldn't she have tested them another way? I think of her time with Frodo at the Mirror as a test of him. Couldn't she have done that with the others and made it seem less adversarial or suspicious than invading their minds? And you put your finger on an important part of her character CG: she is active, not passive. So I think it would have been out of that character for her not to take that step, although it may be seen as a bit invasive maybe, considering what was at stake: her whole world. Because at the time when the Fellowship passes through, she is banned from returning to Valinor, as far as she knows, for the age of the Earth. If Sauron won dominion, it left her no where to go - and being a vassal of Sauron I am sure does NOT play into her wheelhouse one little bit. (*for which I giver her a standing ovation*) So I see it a consistent and believable (and justified) act, but even MORE so if you know the Sil and UT backstories.
Is there a Tolkien topic that you have wanted to look into more deeply, and write about your thoughts on it? If so, we'd like to hear from you for the next TORn Amateur Symposium- coming in November. Happy writing!
(This post was edited by Brethil on Nov 14 2013, 8:45pm)
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TORn AMATEUR SYMPOSIUM Day One - "Galadriel, political animal of Middle-earth", by Demosthenes
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TORn Amateur Symposium
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Nov 10 2013, 10:21am
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Yep, a tough customer..
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noWizardme
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Nov 10 2013, 12:47pm
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ringalingdings.
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Demosthenes
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Nov 10 2013, 1:23pm
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Long ago, before I had read any Tolkien...
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elaen32
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Nov 10 2013, 8:50pm
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Amen to that
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CuriousG
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Nov 10 2013, 10:15pm
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I also enjoy..
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elaen32
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Nov 10 2013, 11:24pm
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Me, too, elaen!
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Ardamírë
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Nov 11 2013, 3:41pm
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I agree with you!
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Ardamírë
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Nov 11 2013, 3:40pm
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She comes up with the morning sun, and tells me life has just begun...
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Gimloid
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Mar 30 2014, 6:12am
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Welcome, Gimloid!
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Meneldor
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Mar 30 2014, 7:23pm
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Thanks!
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Gimloid
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Mar 30 2014, 9:36pm
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Thank you for kicking this off for TAS!
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DanielLB
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Nov 10 2013, 2:57pm
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powerfulness
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Demosthenes
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Nov 10 2013, 3:30pm
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Silmarillion Balrog != Durin's Bane
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FaramirFan
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Nov 11 2013, 8:20pm
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Welcome to TORn!
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sador
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Nov 11 2013, 8:37pm
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Dwarf allies
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Brethil
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Nov 10 2013, 3:56pm
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Hope I'm not splitting hairs here…
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noWizardme
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Nov 10 2013, 6:35pm
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Well let your hair down NoWiz....!
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Brethil
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Nov 10 2013, 8:39pm
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I'll try not to get tressed, or to up-braid anyone, or to resort to plait -it- tudes…
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noWizardme
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Nov 10 2013, 8:58pm
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It's certainly an interesting contrast...
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Silverlode
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Nov 11 2013, 12:39am
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Probably a mixture
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Demosthenes
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Nov 11 2013, 12:53am
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It's all in the asker's motivation, methinks.
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CuriousG
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Nov 11 2013, 12:57am
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I think there's sincerity behind it
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Ardamírë
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Nov 11 2013, 3:26pm
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The politicking of a young Elf maid
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Brethil
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Nov 10 2013, 3:49pm
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I see alot of similarity between
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Dame Ioreth
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Nov 10 2013, 4:18pm
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Interesting comparison
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CuriousG
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Nov 10 2013, 4:41pm
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well, yes...
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Dame Ioreth
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Nov 10 2013, 5:02pm
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Limited by her gender?
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noWizardme
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Nov 10 2013, 6:19pm
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Exactly!
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Dame Ioreth
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Nov 10 2013, 6:47pm
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Galadriel was undoubtedly remarkable, but,
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elaen32
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Nov 10 2013, 7:59pm
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She was undoubtedly remarkable as you say
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ElendilTheShort
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Nov 11 2013, 3:24am
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However...
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Ardamírë
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Nov 11 2013, 3:37pm
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"I pass the test"
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FaramirFan
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Nov 11 2013, 8:36pm
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Welcome FaramirFan! //
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Brethil
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Nov 11 2013, 9:20pm
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Galadriel
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Nerven
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Nov 17 2013, 11:08pm
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well... there was a limit
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Maciliel
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Nov 11 2013, 12:18am
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It's a slippery slope.
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CuriousG
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Nov 11 2013, 12:55am
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Interesting question here Ioreth
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Brethil
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Nov 11 2013, 1:15am
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Proud cousins
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CuriousG
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Nov 10 2013, 5:38pm
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Galadriel and Feanor (and Eowyn too)
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Brethil
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Nov 10 2013, 9:07pm
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Very cool point!
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CuriousG
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Nov 10 2013, 9:58pm
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*dipping liver in cappucino* Sweet! Skooch over CG. //
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Brethil
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Nov 10 2013, 10:10pm
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Yuck!!!
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elaen32
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Nov 10 2013, 11:26pm
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so....
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Maciliel
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Nov 11 2013, 2:42am
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well, looking at your avatar
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CuriousG
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Nov 11 2013, 2:55am
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you must know
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Maciliel
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Nov 11 2013, 3:02am
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The power that Galadriel,
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elaen32
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Nov 10 2013, 11:18pm
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fwiw
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Maciliel
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Nov 11 2013, 12:09am
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Wait, Fwiw was part of the family too?
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CuriousG
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Nov 11 2013, 12:53am
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of course -- don't you remember
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Maciliel
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Nov 11 2013, 12:57am
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How quickly we fwiwget. //
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Brethil
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Nov 11 2013, 1:35am
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Why do you think so?
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sador
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Nov 11 2013, 1:49pm
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but was it really a compromise?
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Maciliel
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Nov 10 2013, 11:45pm
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Opportunist?
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CuriousG
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Nov 11 2013, 12:06am
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who knows?
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Maciliel
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Nov 11 2013, 12:14am
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True Telpemairo, she could have left at any time
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Brethil
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Nov 11 2013, 1:33am
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Ambition in Galadriel and Feanor. Similarities and differences
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Demosthenes
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Nov 11 2013, 11:31am
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Galadriel, Feanor and ambition
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Brethil
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Nov 11 2013, 3:51pm
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Galadriel the water-boarder?
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CuriousG
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Nov 13 2013, 6:36pm
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I love the way you lay all this out CG
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Brethil
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Nov 14 2013, 8:44pm
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Ethereal Veneer
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Rembrethil
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Nov 12 2013, 10:09pm
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Galadriel's evolution
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Brethil
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Nov 13 2013, 2:50am
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Moral tests
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Rembrethil
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Nov 13 2013, 2:07pm
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Unforeseen good brought about by the evil of Sauron
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Brethil
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Nov 13 2013, 4:00pm
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Politcal animal indeed.
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Mikah
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Nov 10 2013, 5:09pm
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i always come back to that as well
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Maciliel
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Nov 10 2013, 11:59pm
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So then it would seem that I am not alone?
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Mikah
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Nov 11 2013, 1:07am
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I don't really understand the ban...
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Ardamírë
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Nov 11 2013, 3:46pm
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I find it moving too
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Brethil
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Nov 12 2013, 5:16pm
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Hiya!
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Ardamírë
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Nov 12 2013, 5:36pm
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'He saw there love and understanding.'
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squire
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Nov 11 2013, 2:11am
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I think you answer my question...
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DanielLB
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Nov 11 2013, 8:18am
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Wow, that's quite thought-provoking.
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Ardamírë
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Nov 11 2013, 3:51pm
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aww...
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FaramirFan
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Nov 11 2013, 8:51pm
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Galadriel in the early 1950s
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Elthir
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Nov 11 2013, 11:24pm
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Interesting
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FaramirFan
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Nov 11 2013, 11:55pm
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I think that's the right way to look at it
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squire
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Nov 12 2013, 1:17am
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Galadriel and leaving Middle-Earth
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Hamfast Gamgee
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Nov 11 2013, 11:44am
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rinnngss....
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Demosthenes
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Nov 11 2013, 12:08pm
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The White Council
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Hamfast Gamgee
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Nov 11 2013, 11:48am
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Thank you for this essay!
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sador
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Nov 11 2013, 2:20pm
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A great piece to start with...
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cats16
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Nov 12 2013, 1:27am
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I wonder if the half-Elven age differently
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Brethil
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Nov 12 2013, 5:20pm
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I hadn't considered that.
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cats16
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Nov 12 2013, 5:58pm
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Galadriel and Elrond... and Galadriel again
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Elthir
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Nov 12 2013, 5:21pm
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A bit mind-blowing Elthir!
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Brethil
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Nov 12 2013, 5:30pm
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I wonder if Galadriel was still in Doriath when Turin lived there. //
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Ardamírë
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Nov 12 2013, 5:43pm
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*waves across the Sea to Valinor*
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cats16
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Nov 12 2013, 6:06pm
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Is there no ship to bear you hence?
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Ardamírë
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Nov 13 2013, 7:08am
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I'll be in ME for quite some time, I think.
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cats16
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Nov 13 2013, 7:43am
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Hipster Tolkien
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Ardamírë
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Nov 13 2013, 8:34am
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LOL! Those are two words I've never heard strung together. //
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cats16
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Nov 13 2013, 5:12pm
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Oh that's such a good question Arda! (*rubs hands together*)
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Brethil
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Nov 12 2013, 6:45pm
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Good digging
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Elthir
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Nov 12 2013, 8:23pm
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Thanks Elthir - a huge compliment coming from you!
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Brethil
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Nov 12 2013, 9:35pm
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First Age history
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Elthir
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Nov 12 2013, 11:06pm
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Crossing mountains...
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Brethil
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Nov 13 2013, 2:37am
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Ere the fall of Nargothrond
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Ardamírë
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Nov 13 2013, 7:18am
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After the Dagor Bragollach
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sador
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Nov 13 2013, 8:20am
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That makes things tricky
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Ardamírë
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Nov 13 2013, 2:02pm
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into the Blue [mountains]
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Elthir
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Nov 13 2013, 4:09pm
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Sets of possibilities
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Brethil
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Nov 13 2013, 3:41pm
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Since the options are all contradictory
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Ardamírë
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Nov 14 2013, 8:07am
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more or less
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Elthir
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Nov 14 2013, 11:56am
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I so agree!
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Brethil
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Nov 14 2013, 8:37pm
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Whew! Lots to take in here.
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cats16
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Nov 12 2013, 6:02pm
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