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Brethil
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Oct 26 2013, 12:22am
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Congrats on your 100th post!!!!
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And since this just happens to be the place on my DVD that is almost worn through, if that is even possible... And since I’ve been waiting for something special for my 100th post (thanks, Brethil!) You are so welcome!!!! Yes, I love the way each of the dwarfs is allowed his moment in this scene. We’ve seen them fooling around, we’ve seen them singing even, but looking at that group chowing down around Bilbo’s table is not inspiring; they look like the most rag tag bunch of dwarfs. They seem to know each other, but I wonder, is this the first time they’ve met since they “got the call?” They’re reaction to Thorin’s knock seems to say “yes” to me. And if so, that puts the song into an interesting light. As Brethil mentions, there is an overtone of politics in that song; akin to singing a national anthem at a political rally. But, I believe it is more than that. If you read the lyrics, it is obviously a story song, but in the context of the dwarf culture, also a history lesson. Dwarf written language is, from what I’ve gathered, more utilitarian rather than artistic. Their art is in what they make with their hands and what they sing in their songs and therefore an a capella version is most fitting. Story songs are sung when no instruments are available - around a fire, to babies as lullabies, to children as bedtimes stories. So although the singing of that song at that particular moment did achieve political ends (rallying the troops so to speak), it also served as a history lesson for those who have never seen Erebor. I love your point about the Dwarven history lesson Ioreth. That's what I think we see with Dori, moving in and looking so intently and purposefully at Ori (who seems curious yet uninvolved, uninvested in the song). As if he is saying Are you getting this? Do you understand what this all means to us, as Dwarves of Erebor? And that rather oddball and separated trio of brothers come together: a microcosm of the cardinal effect of Thorin singing, and choosing this song, as you say next... This rag tag group who may know each other in passing now becomes a united group with a common goal, a goal rooted deep in the history of their race. They are not only on a quest to reclaim Erebor, but they are following the last of Durin’s line on that quest. Other dwarf settlements exist - the people will not die out - but there is something to be said for reinstating Durin’s heirs to their rightful place. The sparks up the chimney are a beautiful image, but to me also a very poignant one. I saw two images, the vestiges of dragon fire that they will face and then almost as shooting stars, winking on for a few seconds and then gone. The song was a wish on those “stars”, for success in the endeavor. Like incense, the sparks rise with a prayer to their god(s) for a good outcome. Despite the brave words, I don’t think any of the dwarfs in their secret mind was confident of success or confident in their own bravery in the face of that dragon fire. Fire as friend or foe - all depends on the origin doesn't it? And perhaps another thing they can quietly yet wordlessly share, getting past any bravado: the dread of that Day, and of the Dragon they have to face. It’s my view that the sleeping author/historian in Bilbo was being nudged by the dwarfs singing this song. His heart was touched by their plight but I think it was his mind that was awakened by their *story*. Lover of tales, he was primed, as Gandalf saw in the younger Bilbo, to be off on his own adventure. Sam and Frodo talk about being “in the story” instead of telling the story. That is what, I think, ultimately puts Bilbo’s foot over the threshold. This time, he will get to *write* the tale! Very interesting idea into Bilbo's character and motivation. Is that why Gandalf references his 'books and maps'? Recognizing the restless author that Bilbo seems to have grown out of (and into a fussy old bachelor?) Is there a Tolkien topic that you have wanted to look into more deeply, and write about your thoughts on it? If so, we'd like to hear from you for the next TORn Amateur Symposium- coming in November. Happy writing!
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CHOWS Chapter: Bilbo's Choice
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Brethil
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Oct 25 2013, 4:58pm
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"The Misty Mountains Cold": a turning point?
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Brethil
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Oct 25 2013, 5:20pm
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Heh, heh- yes, another favourite moment indeed!
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elaen32
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Oct 25 2013, 6:49pm
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Politics behind the emotion
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Brethil
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Oct 26 2013, 12:10am
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Since you asked...
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Dame Ioreth
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Oct 25 2013, 9:23pm
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Congrats on making it to Rivendell!
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Kim
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Oct 25 2013, 11:36pm
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Congrats on your 100th post!!!!
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Brethil
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Oct 26 2013, 12:22am
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Wonderful scenes, all three of them. The song, in particular, ranks as one of my favorite Middle-earth moments.
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Macfeast
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Oct 26 2013, 12:28am
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Your wonderful avatar is almost back in season Macfeast!
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Brethil
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Oct 26 2013, 1:03am
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Jingle beards, jingle beards, jingle all the way! //
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Macfeast
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Oct 26 2013, 1:29am
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This *needs* to be a Holiday song!!!! //
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Brethil
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Oct 26 2013, 5:02pm
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Where Bilbo's choice really occurs
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Riven Delve
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Oct 26 2013, 12:09pm
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The Misty Mountains song is possibly my favourite moment in AUJ.
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Noria
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Oct 26 2013, 1:42pm
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The Dwarves and the song...
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Brethil
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Oct 26 2013, 5:01pm
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The sparks
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Nunilo
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Oct 31 2013, 11:28pm
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Nice take on the spark shot Nunilo!
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Brethil
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Nov 1 2013, 12:52am
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Well.....
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elaen32
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Oct 25 2013, 6:32pm
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Ok: to start with...
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Brethil
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Oct 26 2013, 12:01am
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One of my favorite sequences :-)
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Kim
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Oct 25 2013, 11:28pm
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Such a great scene - how did I know you'd love it???
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Brethil
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Oct 26 2013, 12:37am
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* Rubs hands* Now for Thorin (...oh and Balin too)
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Dame Ioreth
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Oct 25 2013, 11:32pm
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Wonderful post Dame Ioreth!
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Kim
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Oct 25 2013, 11:43pm
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Well, garsh....
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Dame Ioreth
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Oct 26 2013, 1:21am
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Again, I have to agree with you
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Kim
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Oct 26 2013, 2:05am
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I so agree with you Kim & Ioreth + spoilers+
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elaen32
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Oct 26 2013, 8:09am
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Not all who wander are lost...some OT is just fine!!! //
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Brethil
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Oct 26 2013, 5:03pm
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Thanks Brethil
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Noria
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Oct 25 2013, 11:55pm
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Speaking of Golf!
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Brethil
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Oct 26 2013, 12:49am
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My choice too (for best chapter, that is!)
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Riven Delve
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Oct 26 2013, 11:41am
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The Bullroarer: what a good catch R-D
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Brethil
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Oct 26 2013, 4:47pm
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Really beautiful moments!
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Silwen_Peredhil
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Oct 28 2013, 8:44pm
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Wow Silwen, what a wonderful post!
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Kim
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Oct 28 2013, 9:40pm
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Oh, thank you Kim!
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Silwen_Peredhil
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Oct 30 2013, 4:39pm
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Thanks to YOU Silwen!
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Brethil
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Oct 29 2013, 12:45am
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Thank you. :)
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Silwen_Peredhil
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Oct 30 2013, 4:51pm
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Yes, I see you in Rivendell!!!!
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Brethil
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Oct 30 2013, 8:27pm
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Another one of my all-time favourite scenes from The Hobbit (I think we all know why)
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FaramirAndEowynMorningStar
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Oct 29 2013, 6:35pm
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Great responses Morningstar!
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Brethil
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Oct 30 2013, 12:44am
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Aww, thank you, Brethil.
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FaramirAndEowynMorningStar
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Oct 30 2013, 9:46pm
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I agree.. and feel lucky to enjoy it all!
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Brethil
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Oct 31 2013, 12:27am
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Agree 100% with you there.
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FaramirAndEowynMorningStar
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Oct 31 2013, 5:54pm
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All I really have to add is ...
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DanielLB
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Oct 30 2013, 8:32pm
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Great summary Daniel...
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Brethil
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Oct 30 2013, 9:05pm
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