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elostirion74
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Oct 24 2013, 7:50pm


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Tolkienīs use of the word shadow is a very interesting subject - thanks for making a discussion of it!

Tolkien uses the word shadow in several different circumstances, but I agree that more often than not the use of the word shadow takes on a symbolic meaning associated with evil or the influence of evil. In some instances "the shadow" even seems to be a name for/representation of evil in Tolkienīs works.

In the tale of Aragorn and Arwen from the appendices of LoTR we find this passage:

"And there upon that hill they looked east to the Shadow and west to the Twilight, and they plighted their troth and were glad.

And Arwen said: "Dark is the Shadow and yet my heart rejoices, for you, Estel, shall be among the great whose valour will defeat it".

But Aragorn answered: "Alas! I cannot foresse it, and how it may come to pass is hidden form me. Yet with your hope I will hope. And the Shadow I utterly reject. But neither, lady, is the Twilight for me.."

At his deathbed Aragorn says:
"But let us not be overthrown at the final test, who of old renounced the Shadow and the Ring".

It seems to me that we are meant to equate the concept of the Shadow with Sauron, or at least the influence of his evil.

In several other instances the word shadow is associated with despair or fear/evil foreboding, for instance the chief of the Ringwraith is called "a shadow of despair..", we see the use of expressions like "a shadow fell on his/her heart". As we know, despair and succumbing to it has a particularly ominous ring to it in LoTR and is associated with the effect of the Ringwraiths or Sauronīs use of the palantir (Denethor).

Subject User Time
Where the shadows are. Rembrethil Send a private message to Rembrethil Oct 21 2013, 2:17pm
    Darkness CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Oct 21 2013, 2:52pm
        Thanks, and some thoughts Rembrethil Send a private message to Rembrethil Oct 21 2013, 4:32pm
            To do with theories of evil? noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Oct 21 2013, 8:14pm
                Yes. Rembrethil Send a private message to Rembrethil Oct 22 2013, 3:55pm
    23 Sceadu Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Oct 21 2013, 3:24pm
        Yes... Rembrethil Send a private message to Rembrethil Oct 21 2013, 4:39pm
            There is also the Shadow as Self. Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Oct 21 2013, 4:46pm
                And this is what shadows are made of: Rembrethil Send a private message to Rembrethil Oct 21 2013, 6:51pm
                    "None of us has any pockets." Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Oct 21 2013, 7:47pm
    Darkness does equal evil in Tolkien's world... rangerfromthenorth Send a private message to rangerfromthenorth Oct 21 2013, 9:57pm
        Then, would you say the opposite is true? Kalimac Send a private message to Kalimac Oct 21 2013, 10:15pm
            interesting question rangerfromthenorth Send a private message to rangerfromthenorth Oct 21 2013, 10:20pm
                Exactly what I was thinking. Meneldor Send a private message to Meneldor Oct 21 2013, 10:57pm
                Agreed Rembrethil Send a private message to Rembrethil Oct 22 2013, 4:01pm
        In general, that's it. But Tolkien will not go gently into that bad night... squire Send a private message to squire Oct 21 2013, 10:39pm
            Elves and light CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Oct 21 2013, 10:45pm
            besides the points made by others about the stars and moon there is more... rangerfromthenorth Send a private message to rangerfromthenorth Oct 21 2013, 11:03pm
            Could the imagery of stars be read as Kalimac Send a private message to Kalimac Oct 21 2013, 11:58pm
                That's more like it squire Send a private message to squire Oct 22 2013, 12:29am
                    Exactly!!!! Rembrethil Send a private message to Rembrethil Oct 22 2013, 4:05pm
            Exactly. // Ethel Duath Send a private message to Ethel Duath Oct 22 2013, 3:24pm
        Yes, I agree. The sematics are terribly troubling.... Rembrethil Send a private message to Rembrethil Oct 22 2013, 3:59pm
    Please tell me I'm not the only one... Dame Ioreth Send a private message to Dame Ioreth Oct 22 2013, 1:44am
        Yes, that's pretty much Ethel Duath Send a private message to Ethel Duath Oct 22 2013, 3:26pm
        The 'Smoke and Mirrors' are a lie Rembrethil Send a private message to Rembrethil Oct 22 2013, 4:12pm
    Fear and darkness are often connected with fear, but- RosieBaggins Send a private message to RosieBaggins Oct 22 2013, 11:35am
        I wonder Dame Ioreth Send a private message to Dame Ioreth Oct 22 2013, 2:07pm
            Elves, who awakened when the stars were kindled, love the Night. Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Oct 22 2013, 4:02pm
        That is what I say!! Rembrethil Send a private message to Rembrethil Oct 22 2013, 4:08pm
        as suggested above, the elves loved twilight (which includes light,stars, moon) rangerfromthenorth Send a private message to rangerfromthenorth Oct 24 2013, 4:46pm
    Sauron is after all, "The Dark Lord" rangerfromthenorth Send a private message to rangerfromthenorth Oct 24 2013, 4:42pm
    some thoughts elostirion74 Send a private message to elostirion74 Oct 24 2013, 7:50pm
        Back at ya!! Rembrethil Send a private message to Rembrethil Oct 25 2013, 1:35am
        Gandalf, Pippin, and shadows CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Oct 25 2013, 6:10pm
            Maybe.... Rembrethil Send a private message to Rembrethil Oct 25 2013, 6:53pm

 
 
 

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