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In general, that's it. But Tolkien will not go gently into that bad night...

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Oct 21 2013, 10:39pm


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I think it is important to remember that Tolkien specifically assigns the Elves a love of the night - that is, of darkness. They awoke in a dark world, illuminated only by the stars of Varda, and stars against a black field, the night sky, are a constant in Elvish art and imagery. Even at the end of the story, when Sauron has been defeated, Arwen is the Evenstar; she blesses the returning darkness of night (now signifying decline rather than rising) for the Elves of Middle-earth.

The Men of Numenor acquire this same heraldry, as we see when Aragorn's resurrects the standard of Elendil, a black field with stars. As well, the livery of the knights of the citadel of Minas Tirith is black, as is the famed outer wall of the city.

So along with the standard assignment of evil will and evil deeds to the shadows and the night, which does permeate his stories, Tolkien adds a counterweight. I think he does it to point out that even the darkness is not inherently evil; it has simply been conquered and corrupted by Melkor and his minions who are afraid of the light.



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Where the shadows are. Rembrethil Send a private message to Rembrethil Oct 21 2013, 2:17pm
    Darkness CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Oct 21 2013, 2:52pm
        Thanks, and some thoughts Rembrethil Send a private message to Rembrethil Oct 21 2013, 4:32pm
            To do with theories of evil? noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Oct 21 2013, 8:14pm
                Yes. Rembrethil Send a private message to Rembrethil Oct 22 2013, 3:55pm
    23 Sceadu Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Oct 21 2013, 3:24pm
        Yes... Rembrethil Send a private message to Rembrethil Oct 21 2013, 4:39pm
            There is also the Shadow as Self. Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Oct 21 2013, 4:46pm
                And this is what shadows are made of: Rembrethil Send a private message to Rembrethil Oct 21 2013, 6:51pm
                    "None of us has any pockets." Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Oct 21 2013, 7:47pm
    Darkness does equal evil in Tolkien's world... rangerfromthenorth Send a private message to rangerfromthenorth Oct 21 2013, 9:57pm
        Then, would you say the opposite is true? Kalimac Send a private message to Kalimac Oct 21 2013, 10:15pm
            interesting question rangerfromthenorth Send a private message to rangerfromthenorth Oct 21 2013, 10:20pm
                Exactly what I was thinking. Meneldor Send a private message to Meneldor Oct 21 2013, 10:57pm
                Agreed Rembrethil Send a private message to Rembrethil Oct 22 2013, 4:01pm
        In general, that's it. But Tolkien will not go gently into that bad night... squire Send a private message to squire Oct 21 2013, 10:39pm
            Elves and light CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Oct 21 2013, 10:45pm
            besides the points made by others about the stars and moon there is more... rangerfromthenorth Send a private message to rangerfromthenorth Oct 21 2013, 11:03pm
            Could the imagery of stars be read as Kalimac Send a private message to Kalimac Oct 21 2013, 11:58pm
                That's more like it squire Send a private message to squire Oct 22 2013, 12:29am
                    Exactly!!!! Rembrethil Send a private message to Rembrethil Oct 22 2013, 4:05pm
            Exactly. // Ethel Duath Send a private message to Ethel Duath Oct 22 2013, 3:24pm
        Yes, I agree. The sematics are terribly troubling.... Rembrethil Send a private message to Rembrethil Oct 22 2013, 3:59pm
    Please tell me I'm not the only one... Dame Ioreth Send a private message to Dame Ioreth Oct 22 2013, 1:44am
        Yes, that's pretty much Ethel Duath Send a private message to Ethel Duath Oct 22 2013, 3:26pm
        The 'Smoke and Mirrors' are a lie Rembrethil Send a private message to Rembrethil Oct 22 2013, 4:12pm
    Fear and darkness are often connected with fear, but- RosieBaggins Send a private message to RosieBaggins Oct 22 2013, 11:35am
        I wonder Dame Ioreth Send a private message to Dame Ioreth Oct 22 2013, 2:07pm
            Elves, who awakened when the stars were kindled, love the Night. Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Oct 22 2013, 4:02pm
        That is what I say!! Rembrethil Send a private message to Rembrethil Oct 22 2013, 4:08pm
        as suggested above, the elves loved twilight (which includes light,stars, moon) rangerfromthenorth Send a private message to rangerfromthenorth Oct 24 2013, 4:46pm
    Sauron is after all, "The Dark Lord" rangerfromthenorth Send a private message to rangerfromthenorth Oct 24 2013, 4:42pm
    some thoughts elostirion74 Send a private message to elostirion74 Oct 24 2013, 7:50pm
        Back at ya!! Rembrethil Send a private message to Rembrethil Oct 25 2013, 1:35am
        Gandalf, Pippin, and shadows CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Oct 25 2013, 6:10pm
            Maybe.... Rembrethil Send a private message to Rembrethil Oct 25 2013, 6:53pm

 
 
 

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