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Darkstone
Immortal
Oct 21 2013, 3:24pm
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The Shadow is a common leitmotif of Evil in Beowulf. For example: All were endangered; young and old were hunted down by that dark death-shadow who lurked and swooped in the long nights on the misty moors; nobody knows where these reavers from hell roam on their errands. Similarly, there is the danger of falling under shadow: It was known to the elders that the hostile foe must not, the Lord did not will it, drag them under shadow. Tolkien often dipped into Beowulf. For example: ond þisses hrægles néot þéod gestreona “And make use of this corslet, the worth of a nation.” That is, Beowulf gets a ringed shirt from the king worth more than the Shire and everything in it. (As derwyn put it, "Here's a pretty Danish-skin to wrap a Gaetish-princeling in.") And Beowulf is described as “Hringa þengel”, or “The Lord of the Rings”. Coincidence? I think not!!
****************************************** I met a Balrog on the stair, He had some wings that weren't there. They weren't there again today, I wish he would just fly away.
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Where the shadows are.
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Rembrethil
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Oct 21 2013, 2:17pm
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Darkness
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CuriousG
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Oct 21 2013, 2:52pm
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Thanks, and some thoughts
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Rembrethil
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Oct 21 2013, 4:32pm
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To do with theories of evil?
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noWizardme
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Oct 21 2013, 8:14pm
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Yes.
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Rembrethil
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Oct 22 2013, 3:55pm
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23 Sceadu
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Darkstone
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Oct 21 2013, 3:24pm
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Yes...
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Rembrethil
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Oct 21 2013, 4:39pm
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There is also the Shadow as Self.
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Darkstone
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Oct 21 2013, 4:46pm
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And this is what shadows are made of:
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Rembrethil
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Oct 21 2013, 6:51pm
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"None of us has any pockets."
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Darkstone
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Oct 21 2013, 7:47pm
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Darkness does equal evil in Tolkien's world...
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rangerfromthenorth
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Oct 21 2013, 9:57pm
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Then, would you say the opposite is true?
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Kalimac
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Oct 21 2013, 10:15pm
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interesting question
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rangerfromthenorth
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Oct 21 2013, 10:20pm
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Exactly what I was thinking.
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Meneldor
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Oct 21 2013, 10:57pm
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Agreed
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Rembrethil
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Oct 22 2013, 4:01pm
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In general, that's it. But Tolkien will not go gently into that bad night...
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squire
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Oct 21 2013, 10:39pm
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Elves and light
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CuriousG
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Oct 21 2013, 10:45pm
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besides the points made by others about the stars and moon there is more...
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rangerfromthenorth
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Oct 21 2013, 11:03pm
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Could the imagery of stars be read as
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Kalimac
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Oct 21 2013, 11:58pm
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That's more like it
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squire
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Oct 22 2013, 12:29am
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Exactly!!!!
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Rembrethil
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Oct 22 2013, 4:05pm
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Exactly. //
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Ethel Duath
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Oct 22 2013, 3:24pm
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Yes, I agree. The sematics are terribly troubling....
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Rembrethil
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Oct 22 2013, 3:59pm
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Please tell me I'm not the only one...
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Dame Ioreth
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Oct 22 2013, 1:44am
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Yes, that's pretty much
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Ethel Duath
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Oct 22 2013, 3:26pm
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The 'Smoke and Mirrors' are a lie
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Rembrethil
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Oct 22 2013, 4:12pm
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Fear and darkness are often connected with fear, but-
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RosieBaggins
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Oct 22 2013, 11:35am
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I wonder
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Dame Ioreth
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Oct 22 2013, 2:07pm
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Elves, who awakened when the stars were kindled, love the Night.
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Otaku-sempai
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Oct 22 2013, 4:02pm
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That is what I say!!
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Rembrethil
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Oct 22 2013, 4:08pm
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as suggested above, the elves loved twilight (which includes light,stars, moon)
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rangerfromthenorth
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Oct 24 2013, 4:46pm
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Sauron is after all, "The Dark Lord"
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rangerfromthenorth
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Oct 24 2013, 4:42pm
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some thoughts
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elostirion74
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Oct 24 2013, 7:50pm
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Back at ya!!
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Rembrethil
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Oct 25 2013, 1:35am
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Gandalf, Pippin, and shadows
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CuriousG
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Oct 25 2013, 6:10pm
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Maybe....
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Rembrethil
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Oct 25 2013, 6:53pm
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