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Rembrethil
Tol Eressea
Oct 18 2013, 12:08am
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In looking back at my comments up-thread, I believe that we do agree that they were not 'forbidden-under-pain-of-death-to-use-their-power-ever' but were they not to become powerful Lords themselves in order to overthrow Sauron. Re-read my previous posts and I think you will see that we were saying the same things, just in two different ways
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Istari Questions, Melian, Galadriel & Saruman
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Girdle of Melian
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Oct 6 2013, 3:17pm
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Hope this helps with some of your questions...
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Dragonrnbw
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Oct 6 2013, 4:16pm
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Seems to me that this should be MOVED to LOTR discussions, Not TH//
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Bombadil
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Oct 6 2013, 4:47pm
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Dragon is correct
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rangerfromthenorth
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Oct 6 2013, 9:44pm
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Gandalf
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Eärwen of Mithlond
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Oct 15 2013, 2:12am
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Hello Earwen!
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Brethil
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Oct 15 2013, 3:04am
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Thank you brethil that is one of the quotes...
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rangerfromthenorth
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Oct 15 2013, 3:42pm
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Interesting discussion
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Elciryamo
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Oct 17 2013, 6:51am
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Yes!
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Rembrethil
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Oct 17 2013, 2:19pm
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I agree mostly with what you have wrote...
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rangerfromthenorth
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Oct 17 2013, 2:45pm
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Quote from the Appendices
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Rembrethil
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Oct 17 2013, 2:53pm
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I stand corrected...
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rangerfromthenorth
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Oct 17 2013, 2:58pm
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Hmmmm.....
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Rembrethil
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Oct 17 2013, 3:57pm
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no offense taken at all...
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rangerfromthenorth
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Oct 17 2013, 4:11pm
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Yes!
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Rembrethil
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Oct 17 2013, 4:21pm
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perfect!
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rangerfromthenorth
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Oct 17 2013, 4:31pm
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Flawed gods?
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Rembrethil
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Oct 17 2013, 4:41pm
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You are not corrected rangerfromthenorth you were right in the first instance
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ElendilTheShort
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Oct 17 2013, 11:06pm
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First of all, thank you for the welcome...
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Elciryamo
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Oct 17 2013, 11:17pm
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I think we agree.
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Rembrethil
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Oct 18 2013, 12:08am
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Ah yes....
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rangerfromthenorth
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Oct 18 2013, 2:14pm
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Dol Guldur?
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Elizabeth
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Oct 18 2013, 7:34am
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Thoughts....
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Rembrethil
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Oct 18 2013, 2:06pm
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The Devices of Saruman
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Otaku-sempai
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Oct 18 2013, 2:43pm
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"Devices"
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Elizabeth
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Oct 18 2013, 8:38pm
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Just for the sake of theorizing....
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Rembrethil
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Oct 19 2013, 2:20am
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Destroyed?
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Otaku-sempai
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Oct 19 2013, 11:40am
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That's how it was put, but not by you.
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squire
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Oct 19 2013, 7:11pm
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The Devices of Saruman -- Reprise
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Otaku-sempai
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Oct 19 2013, 7:30pm
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Perhaps these words imply....
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Rembrethil
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Oct 20 2013, 1:09am
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Well, if nothing else...
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Otaku-sempai
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Oct 20 2013, 11:38pm
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Thank you, that's the kind of thing that makes me reconsider
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squire
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Oct 21 2013, 12:20am
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Unless, that is
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sador
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Oct 21 2013, 12:38pm
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Invoking may not be the case
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ElendilTheShort
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Oct 26 2013, 3:50am
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Thank you!
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sador
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Oct 28 2013, 7:56am
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I'm not sure of that...
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Elciryamo
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Oct 21 2013, 6:59pm
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Well......
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Rembrethil
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Oct 21 2013, 7:21pm
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to quote Elendil the Short who is quoting Tolkien (See above)...
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rangerfromthenorth
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Oct 18 2013, 4:49pm
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Regarding the limits of power
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Elciryamo
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Oct 19 2013, 4:10am
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I think you are correct but one caveat
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rangerfromthenorth
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Oct 21 2013, 2:33pm
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Draining
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Rembrethil
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Oct 21 2013, 4:33pm
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agreed!
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rangerfromthenorth
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Oct 21 2013, 4:41pm
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Melian was different...
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Bladerunner
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Oct 6 2013, 4:55pm
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What the other said, and...
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dormouse
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Oct 6 2013, 5:39pm
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Agreed with much of this, though not all. The last bit is too strong a statement and looses much of its accuracy
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AinurOlorin
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Oct 7 2013, 2:41am
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The last bit isn't a statement of fact, AO....
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dormouse
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Oct 7 2013, 8:43am
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Well part of the problem is that two different matters are being argued, as though mutually exclusive
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AinurOlorin
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Oct 7 2013, 1:27pm
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Well....
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dormouse
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Oct 7 2013, 2:19pm
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Are you really still discussing this with him?
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Oct 7 2013, 2:51pm
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This isn't my thread. lol
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AinurOlorin
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Oct 7 2013, 3:12pm
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I wasn't until this morning...
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dormouse
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Oct 7 2013, 3:16pm
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It's good!
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Oct 7 2013, 3:24pm
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You never HAVE to. lol. Free will and all that.
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AinurOlorin
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Oct 7 2013, 3:35pm
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In the armour of Fate (as the Children of Earth name it) there is ever a rift, and in the walls of Doom a breach, until the full-making, which ye call the End //
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Oct 7 2013, 7:00pm
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It really doesn't
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AinurOlorin
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Oct 7 2013, 3:07pm
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Thank you Dormouse
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ElendilTheShort
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Oct 7 2013, 7:39pm
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The issue I have with that "orders of power"...
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Arannir
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Oct 7 2013, 7:57pm
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It was an absoulte statement that started many of the recent debates. Regarding Men and Balrogs
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AinurOlorin
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Oct 7 2013, 11:10pm
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"Dangerous!"
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CuriousG
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Oct 7 2013, 11:42pm
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Indeed, all well stated.
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AinurOlorin
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Oct 8 2013, 3:43am
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Very unlikely is different to an absolute no
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ElendilTheShort
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Oct 8 2013, 12:37am
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Indeed. Ms. Boyens made an absolute statement, and that is where much of the
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AinurOlorin
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Oct 8 2013, 4:05am
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This is a good example
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ElendilTheShort
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Oct 8 2013, 11:37am
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I agree that would be more accurate, but the unforseeable would not be attributable to
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AinurOlorin
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Oct 8 2013, 10:50pm
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It's in the "LOTR A Readers's Companion" re the WK, Weathertop & Aragorn, it refers to another source that I think is HOME but I can't find it.
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ElendilTheShort
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Oct 9 2013, 3:43am
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It does not seem to work that way.
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AinurOlorin
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Oct 9 2013, 4:48am
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Good quote to use, and interesting
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ElendilTheShort
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Oct 9 2013, 5:27am
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Should we then have a separate section for vs and power threads...and just leave
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Girdle of Melian
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Oct 9 2013, 9:52am
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Well said.
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Arannir
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Oct 9 2013, 11:43am
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True Enough
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Girdle of Melian
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Oct 9 2013, 1:53pm
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The only stupid questions
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CuriousG
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Oct 9 2013, 9:08pm
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I think refering to people as newbies would be a shame.
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ElendilTheShort
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Oct 9 2013, 11:22pm
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I make an effort to never use words like newbie in forum. lol
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AinurOlorin
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Oct 10 2013, 5:49am
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The Maia were present, which means other Ainur were present. Mandos (or Eonwe) made a statement
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AinurOlorin
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Oct 10 2013, 5:41am
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As Istari, they were not as they were as maiar.
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Elizabeth
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Oct 10 2013, 7:20am
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My comment about the presence of the Maiar was regarding the war of wrath, and The Coming of The Host of The West,
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AinurOlorin
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Oct 11 2013, 12:24am
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Istari restrictions Letter 156
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ElendilTheShort
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Oct 9 2013, 4:17am
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I know the quote. It is in Unfinished Tales. It dpes not say anything about much more powerful.
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AinurOlorin
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Oct 9 2013, 5:00am
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The quotation you wanted may be this one...
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dormouse
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Oct 10 2013, 7:22pm
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I think you're right Dormouse
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elaen32
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Oct 10 2013, 9:00pm
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Manwe didn't select Saruman...
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dormouse
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Oct 10 2013, 9:48pm
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Aule seems a talented guy, but...
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elaen32
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Oct 10 2013, 9:58pm
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honestly
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Maciliel
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Oct 10 2013, 11:05pm
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It's not about peace, love, and dove, but the 'overly besotted' part of craftwork
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squire
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Oct 11 2013, 1:26am
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then you and i...
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Maciliel
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Oct 11 2013, 1:43am
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Exactly, and a very important point. I find people often
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AinurOlorin
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Oct 11 2013, 12:59am
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Very nicely said.
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Arannir
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Oct 8 2013, 9:41am
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Some more answers
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Rembrethil
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Oct 7 2013, 2:12pm
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Rules of engagement
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CuriousG
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Oct 7 2013, 9:06pm
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Back to the OP
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ElendilTheShort
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Oct 8 2013, 1:04am
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Nicely summarized.
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Elizabeth
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Oct 8 2013, 7:04am
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You Shall Not Pass.....Gas!
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PhantomS
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Oct 8 2013, 4:25pm
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