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Maciliel
Valinor
Oct 13 2013, 5:24am
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[ mahtion ]
Surely as you mention if the fallen Noldor would have participated Tolkien would have noted it. Only the Noldor under Finarfin would have participated in the War of Wrath and Ingwe leading the Vanyar and Eonwe leading the Maiar. I agree it would seem cruel for Mandos or Manwe to expect the fallen or recently rehoused elves to fight again and experience ever more sorrow and pain.
[ / mahtion ]
it is a presumption that, if any rehoused mainland elf fought in the war of wrath, that tolkien would have surely mentioned it. tolkien says nothing, either way. one seems as likely as the other.
and (to repeat) i was not stating that the valar commanded or even used their powers of persuasion to get the rehoused to join the host. if any rehoused elf wished to join the host, it would seem cruel and dictatorial to deny him / her this wish. after all, those elves -- more than any who had stayed in valinor -- had personally experienced the effects of morgoth, and many still would have had close family and friends there.
imagine gondolin elves that were slain during the sacking. perhaps a spouse or a child still remained on the mainland. would it not be exceedingly understandable for that person to want to go back and fight against forces that endangered her / his family? and perhaps even to be reunited with them?
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aka. fili orc-enshield
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the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."
this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel telpemairo
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Edhil Populations
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Mahtion
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Oct 11 2013, 8:15pm
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Brilliant!
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CuriousG
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Oct 11 2013, 10:05pm
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Difficult Estimations
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Mahtion
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Oct 12 2013, 5:30pm
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this question has
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Maciliel
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Oct 12 2013, 3:35am
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well done for this
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ElendilTheShort
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Oct 12 2013, 11:19pm
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also to add
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Maciliel
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Oct 12 2013, 11:56pm
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Elves Rehoused for the War of Wrath
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Mahtion
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Oct 13 2013, 12:36am
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thanks!
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Maciliel
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Oct 13 2013, 12:49am
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btw...
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Maciliel
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Oct 13 2013, 1:39am
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Not just any Elf
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Mahtion
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Oct 13 2013, 3:08am
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In the Silmarillion it says
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ElendilTheShort
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Oct 13 2013, 4:15am
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Good Points
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Mahtion
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Oct 13 2013, 5:11am
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just to say
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Maciliel
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Oct 13 2013, 5:24am
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And I just realised I misunderstood your statement
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ElendilTheShort
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Oct 13 2013, 4:30am
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if
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Maciliel
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Oct 13 2013, 5:10am
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some additional references
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Felagund
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Oct 13 2013, 8:06pm
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Thanks for posting this
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Hamfast Gamgee
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Oct 14 2013, 10:53pm
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