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Re: [Aerin] This of course has been much discussed,

Beren IV
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Feb 18 2007, 1:39am


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Gotcha - I was just wondering (I guess I missed the previous discussion). Of course, Eowyn is not unique: there are several female adventurers/warriors elswehere in Tolkien, including Galadriel, Lúthien, and Haleth, from the Sil. Eowyn is unique only in LotR, and only then if we ignore unnamed characters. I have argued in the past that it is highly unlikely that Eowyn was the only woman to have gone to battle on the Pellenor, based both upon historical pre-industrial accounts and also on basic human nature.

Nonetheless, Eowyn is unique among the named characters in LotR, and I agree that it would tend to obviate Eowyn if there were another character like her even of a different race, so I suppose that such incidences of female heroism might best be kept "off-stage". So even if Arwen - or anybody else for that matter - is willing, able to, and gets a chance to, defend their homeland elsewhere on the map, it makes the most sense from a literary prospective to not discuss it, just as the battles in Dale and Erebor and Mirkwood and possibly even Eriador are only hinted at.

Another possible reason for Arwen: both Arwen and Aragorn are important, there will be no Reunited Kingdom without both of them. Danger is unavoidable for Aragorn, but it isn't for Arwen. Arwen might have stayed home merely so that there are one fewer "targets" for random orc archers that would have disasterous consequences for the future of Arda if an unfortunate arrow happened to find a mark. This is of course one reason for keeping women out of combat all along, although in Arwen's case, it makes special sense for her more than most any other woman in Middle-Earth. It would be much less of an invitation to disaster if, for example, Mrs. Maggot were to fight alongside her husband in the Battle of Bywater.

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I will say that I would have liked to have seen more of Arwen in LotR (the book, not the movie!). However, being part of the Fellowship is something that I don't think would have worked. Part of me is kinda glad that the Lay of Leithien was never put into a novelistic form by Tolkien either - there would have been sexual tensions and overtones between either A&A or B&L, and dizzyingly explicit as he is in Aldarion and Erendis, I honestly don't think that Tolkien's mastery as a writer extended to the sensual side that would be unavoidable in an adventure with either of those two heroic couples together. So all in all, it's probably just as well that we see so little of Arwen. With three major plotlines occurring simultaneously between the Breaking of the Fellowship and the destruction of the Ring, it is difficult enough to keep track of all of the characters and events already! Wink

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Tolkien Artists, The Bros. Hildebrandt: Loose Ends and That's All Folks drogo Send a private message to drogo Feb 17 2007, 10:04pm
    Arwen Joins the Quest Reera the Red Send a private message to Reera the Red Feb 18 2007, 12:11am
        Well, that does explain Aerin Send a private message to Aerin Feb 18 2007, 12:20am
        Oh, I like that one! Ainu Laire Send a private message to Ainu Laire Feb 18 2007, 12:27am
            No story that I know of. Reera the Red Send a private message to Reera the Red Feb 18 2007, 12:38am
                Re: [Reera the Red] No story that I know of. drogo Send a private message to drogo Feb 18 2007, 12:55am
                    Re: [drogo] No story that I know of. Nerdanel Send a private message to Nerdanel Feb 18 2007, 11:58pm
                        "breathes life into Tolkien" N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Feb 23 2007, 11:23pm
                    The cover of the original Grotta bio! dernwyn Send a private message to dernwyn Feb 20 2007, 3:56pm
                        mine has two Hildebrandts on the cover a.s. Send a private message to a.s. Feb 21 2007, 1:10am
                            Yes, yours is a decade newer dernwyn Send a private message to dernwyn Feb 22 2007, 4:56am
                                mine has an Epilogue chapter a.s. Send a private message to a.s. Feb 22 2007, 12:17pm
            Tolkien the time-traveller? N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Feb 23 2007, 11:19pm
    Re: [drogo] Tolkien Artists, The Bros. Hildebrandt: Loose Ends and That's All Folks Sandicomm Send a private message to Sandicomm Feb 18 2007, 12:28am
    Re: [drogo] Tolkien Artists, The Bros. Hildebrandt: Loose Ends and That's All Folks a.s. Send a private message to a.s. Feb 18 2007, 12:31am
        dang I keep forgetting to change my subject line!! [nt] a.s. Send a private message to a.s. Feb 18 2007, 12:31am
        Alas for the loss of Mod... loved it. Cirdan the Shipwright Send a private message to Cirdan the Shipwright Feb 19 2007, 9:06pm
            thanks, originally a.s. Send a private message to a.s. Feb 19 2007, 11:29pm
    Re: [drogo] Tolkien Artists, The Bros. Hildebrandt: Loose Ends and That's All Folks Beren IV Send a private message to Beren IV Feb 18 2007, 12:47am
        This of course has been much discussed, Aerin Send a private message to Aerin Feb 18 2007, 1:17am
            Re: [Aerin] This of course has been much discussed, Beren IV Send a private message to Beren IV Feb 18 2007, 1:39am
                That's another good point, as well. Aerin Send a private message to Aerin Feb 18 2007, 6:40am
                    Not completely unique Beren IV Send a private message to Beren IV Feb 18 2007, 6:56pm
                        True, women of Haleth Aerin Send a private message to Aerin Feb 18 2007, 9:51pm
                            Another historical note Beren IV Send a private message to Beren IV Feb 18 2007, 11:51pm
                                Re: [Beren IV] Another historical note Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Feb 19 2007, 12:43am
                                See Elizabeth's note, plus Aerin Send a private message to Aerin Feb 19 2007, 6:45am
                More Arwen in the books than most readers catch. N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Feb 23 2007, 11:40pm
            Re: [Aerin] This of course has been much discussed, Sandicomm Send a private message to Sandicomm Feb 18 2007, 6:16pm
                I think the movies came close to Aerin Send a private message to Aerin Feb 18 2007, 10:09pm
    Some unexpected brilliance linkin-artelf Send a private message to linkin-artelf Feb 19 2007, 3:09am
        "Journey in the Dark" is the chapter title dernwyn Send a private message to dernwyn Feb 20 2007, 4:07pm
        Orcs did wear cloaks. N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Feb 23 2007, 11:34pm
    Unexpected Joy! Daughter of Nienna Send a private message to Daughter of Nienna Feb 19 2007, 11:19am
        "a heavy front plane" N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Feb 23 2007, 11:44pm

 
 
 

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