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ElendilTheShort
Gondor
Oct 8 2013, 1:04am
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Although the power of the Istari was veiled and they had restrictions upon them, my understanding is that their limitation was more about not using force to get people to do their bidding as opposed to using force to defend themselves or others. The Istari must be thought of as an entirely different order of beings in their purpose and existence, when compared to others, including any Maia that were present in the mortal lands throughout the ages.
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Istari Questions, Melian, Galadriel & Saruman
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Girdle of Melian
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Oct 6 2013, 3:17pm
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Hope this helps with some of your questions...
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Dragonrnbw
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Oct 6 2013, 4:16pm
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Seems to me that this should be MOVED to LOTR discussions, Not TH//
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Bombadil
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Oct 6 2013, 4:47pm
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Dragon is correct
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rangerfromthenorth
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Oct 6 2013, 9:44pm
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Gandalf
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Eärwen of Mithlond
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Oct 15 2013, 2:12am
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Hello Earwen!
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Brethil
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Oct 15 2013, 3:04am
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Thank you brethil that is one of the quotes...
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rangerfromthenorth
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Oct 15 2013, 3:42pm
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Interesting discussion
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Elciryamo
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Oct 17 2013, 6:51am
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Yes!
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Rembrethil
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Oct 17 2013, 2:19pm
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I agree mostly with what you have wrote...
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rangerfromthenorth
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Oct 17 2013, 2:45pm
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Quote from the Appendices
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Rembrethil
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Oct 17 2013, 2:53pm
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I stand corrected...
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rangerfromthenorth
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Oct 17 2013, 2:58pm
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Hmmmm.....
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Rembrethil
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Oct 17 2013, 3:57pm
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no offense taken at all...
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rangerfromthenorth
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Oct 17 2013, 4:11pm
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Yes!
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Rembrethil
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Oct 17 2013, 4:21pm
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perfect!
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rangerfromthenorth
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Oct 17 2013, 4:31pm
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Flawed gods?
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Rembrethil
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Oct 17 2013, 4:41pm
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You are not corrected rangerfromthenorth you were right in the first instance
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ElendilTheShort
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Oct 17 2013, 11:06pm
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First of all, thank you for the welcome...
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Elciryamo
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Oct 17 2013, 11:17pm
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I think we agree.
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Rembrethil
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Oct 18 2013, 12:08am
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Ah yes....
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rangerfromthenorth
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Oct 18 2013, 2:14pm
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Dol Guldur?
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Elizabeth
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Oct 18 2013, 7:34am
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Thoughts....
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Rembrethil
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Oct 18 2013, 2:06pm
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The Devices of Saruman
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Otaku-sempai
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Oct 18 2013, 2:43pm
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"Devices"
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Elizabeth
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Oct 18 2013, 8:38pm
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Just for the sake of theorizing....
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Rembrethil
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Oct 19 2013, 2:20am
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Destroyed?
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Otaku-sempai
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Oct 19 2013, 11:40am
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That's how it was put, but not by you.
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squire
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Oct 19 2013, 7:11pm
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The Devices of Saruman -- Reprise
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Otaku-sempai
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Oct 19 2013, 7:30pm
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Perhaps these words imply....
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Rembrethil
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Oct 20 2013, 1:09am
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Well, if nothing else...
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Otaku-sempai
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Oct 20 2013, 11:38pm
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Thank you, that's the kind of thing that makes me reconsider
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squire
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Oct 21 2013, 12:20am
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Unless, that is
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sador
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Oct 21 2013, 12:38pm
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Invoking may not be the case
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ElendilTheShort
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Oct 26 2013, 3:50am
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Thank you!
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sador
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Oct 28 2013, 7:56am
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I'm not sure of that...
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Elciryamo
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Oct 21 2013, 6:59pm
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Well......
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Rembrethil
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Oct 21 2013, 7:21pm
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to quote Elendil the Short who is quoting Tolkien (See above)...
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rangerfromthenorth
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Oct 18 2013, 4:49pm
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Regarding the limits of power
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Elciryamo
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Oct 19 2013, 4:10am
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I think you are correct but one caveat
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rangerfromthenorth
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Oct 21 2013, 2:33pm
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Draining
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Rembrethil
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Oct 21 2013, 4:33pm
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agreed!
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rangerfromthenorth
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Oct 21 2013, 4:41pm
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Melian was different...
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Bladerunner
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Oct 6 2013, 4:55pm
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What the other said, and...
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dormouse
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Oct 6 2013, 5:39pm
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Agreed with much of this, though not all. The last bit is too strong a statement and looses much of its accuracy
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AinurOlorin
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Oct 7 2013, 2:41am
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The last bit isn't a statement of fact, AO....
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dormouse
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Oct 7 2013, 8:43am
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Well part of the problem is that two different matters are being argued, as though mutually exclusive
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AinurOlorin
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Oct 7 2013, 1:27pm
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Well....
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dormouse
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Oct 7 2013, 2:19pm
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Are you really still discussing this with him?
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Oct 7 2013, 2:51pm
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This isn't my thread. lol
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AinurOlorin
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Oct 7 2013, 3:12pm
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I wasn't until this morning...
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dormouse
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Oct 7 2013, 3:16pm
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It's good!
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Oct 7 2013, 3:24pm
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You never HAVE to. lol. Free will and all that.
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AinurOlorin
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Oct 7 2013, 3:35pm
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In the armour of Fate (as the Children of Earth name it) there is ever a rift, and in the walls of Doom a breach, until the full-making, which ye call the End //
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Oct 7 2013, 7:00pm
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It really doesn't
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AinurOlorin
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Oct 7 2013, 3:07pm
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Thank you Dormouse
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ElendilTheShort
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Oct 7 2013, 7:39pm
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The issue I have with that "orders of power"...
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Arannir
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Oct 7 2013, 7:57pm
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It was an absoulte statement that started many of the recent debates. Regarding Men and Balrogs
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AinurOlorin
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Oct 7 2013, 11:10pm
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"Dangerous!"
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CuriousG
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Oct 7 2013, 11:42pm
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Indeed, all well stated.
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AinurOlorin
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Oct 8 2013, 3:43am
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Very unlikely is different to an absolute no
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ElendilTheShort
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Oct 8 2013, 12:37am
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Indeed. Ms. Boyens made an absolute statement, and that is where much of the
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AinurOlorin
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Oct 8 2013, 4:05am
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This is a good example
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ElendilTheShort
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Oct 8 2013, 11:37am
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I agree that would be more accurate, but the unforseeable would not be attributable to
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AinurOlorin
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Oct 8 2013, 10:50pm
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It's in the "LOTR A Readers's Companion" re the WK, Weathertop & Aragorn, it refers to another source that I think is HOME but I can't find it.
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ElendilTheShort
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Oct 9 2013, 3:43am
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It does not seem to work that way.
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AinurOlorin
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Oct 9 2013, 4:48am
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Good quote to use, and interesting
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ElendilTheShort
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Oct 9 2013, 5:27am
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Should we then have a separate section for vs and power threads...and just leave
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Girdle of Melian
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Oct 9 2013, 9:52am
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Well said.
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Arannir
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Oct 9 2013, 11:43am
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True Enough
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Girdle of Melian
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Oct 9 2013, 1:53pm
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The only stupid questions
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CuriousG
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Oct 9 2013, 9:08pm
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I think refering to people as newbies would be a shame.
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ElendilTheShort
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Oct 9 2013, 11:22pm
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I make an effort to never use words like newbie in forum. lol
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AinurOlorin
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Oct 10 2013, 5:49am
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The Maia were present, which means other Ainur were present. Mandos (or Eonwe) made a statement
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AinurOlorin
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Oct 10 2013, 5:41am
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As Istari, they were not as they were as maiar.
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Elizabeth
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Oct 10 2013, 7:20am
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My comment about the presence of the Maiar was regarding the war of wrath, and The Coming of The Host of The West,
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AinurOlorin
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Oct 11 2013, 12:24am
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Istari restrictions Letter 156
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ElendilTheShort
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Oct 9 2013, 4:17am
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I know the quote. It is in Unfinished Tales. It dpes not say anything about much more powerful.
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AinurOlorin
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Oct 9 2013, 5:00am
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The quotation you wanted may be this one...
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dormouse
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Oct 10 2013, 7:22pm
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I think you're right Dormouse
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elaen32
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Oct 10 2013, 9:00pm
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Manwe didn't select Saruman...
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dormouse
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Oct 10 2013, 9:48pm
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Aule seems a talented guy, but...
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elaen32
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Oct 10 2013, 9:58pm
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honestly
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Maciliel
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Oct 10 2013, 11:05pm
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It's not about peace, love, and dove, but the 'overly besotted' part of craftwork
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squire
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Oct 11 2013, 1:26am
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then you and i...
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Maciliel
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Oct 11 2013, 1:43am
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Exactly, and a very important point. I find people often
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AinurOlorin
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Oct 11 2013, 12:59am
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Very nicely said.
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Arannir
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Oct 8 2013, 9:41am
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Some more answers
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Rembrethil
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Oct 7 2013, 2:12pm
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Rules of engagement
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CuriousG
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Oct 7 2013, 9:06pm
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Back to the OP
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ElendilTheShort
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Oct 8 2013, 1:04am
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Nicely summarized.
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Elizabeth
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Oct 8 2013, 7:04am
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You Shall Not Pass.....Gas!
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PhantomS
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Oct 8 2013, 4:25pm
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