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Possibly, but I doubt it.


Oct 3 2013, 3:41pm

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Possibly, but I doubt it. [In reply to] Can't Post

It's probably just me and crazy opinions as usual (my user icon and infamous essay on Cirdan should attest to my interest in the most random of Tolkien's characters), yes Thorin is an arrogant bad tempered (for the most part) old fart (though his status as a dwarven pensioner is open to debate) in the book-but that is precisely why I liked him!, I liked that he did and thought whatever he wanted, bending to knowone else and showing his authority as much as he could, for me personally I found a greater empathy with him that the flawless Aragorn or Faramir-Thorin was a heavily flawed individual and the opposite of many of Tolkien's heroic archtypes yes, but to my mind was a much more imposing royal and forceful character, I also liked that he was a man of advanced years with the air of a politician and wounded lion, not a warrior in the prime of his years. And frankly I think he's always been a bit misunderstood, this essay on Heirs of Durin explains my views better than I could:


As was mentioned above in the interview, Thorin and Boromir's history and character was all there is the books, just not pushed to the forefront or in the same context, I sometimes think people just empahsised with them more in the films, because such things were pushed to the forefront drastically altering the importance and role of them in the films in contrast to the books-and of course it is easier to empathise with a face (I've gathered you ladies don't find it hard to empathise with Armitage's Wink) than a bunch of hidden subtext-and of course the films are really The Hobbit and Thorin trilogy-we know what Thorin must be feeling in the book when reading it, but we never do see it-unlike in the film when his internal emotions are on full display.

I found Armitage's portrayal too conventional personally, though it was an excellent performance, I could never truly see him as a king (his prior appearances on Robin Hood didn't help), and personally since they aged him down and muted his outward agression in the film, I found his arrogrance amplified and less understandable-in the book I got the impression that he was an old man grown bitter by a lifetime of bloodshed and his royal blood-it's a stock characterisation but unlike in the film it's not being blurred by heroic's or all out agression (Thorin hating Elrond and leaving Gandalf in Rivendell wreaked of screenwriting 101 attempts to create more needless tension in a part of the story that didn't need it) , in the film it just came across as a mere 'thing' about the character they weren't sure how to handle.

The hammering home of Thorin's backstory came across as a little cheesy (though of course it was necessary for cinematic reasons-show not tell)-'Empathise with Me! Now!!!' and Armitage's similiarity in build/age to Viggo Mortensen I couldn't really shake off. I had always envishioned Ian Mcshane as Thorin (still do-though Billy Connoly and Armitage ironically are rather close to how I pictured Thorin and Dain in the book), and if adding a face and expanding the character arc of a arguably limited character in the book, dosen't make me empathise more in the filn, then I guess I never will (The whole nonense with the Albino fork monster didn't help, Azog is probably the reason I haven't watched AUJ in eight months). All that said I can see why he was cast, and he is certainly convincing as a leader and screen prescence though not at all one I'm over enamoured with (Lee Pace show's every sign of being my standout)

But, as I allued to above I don't consider The Hobbit part of Tolkien's mythology (at least not that of The Lord of The Rings) and even though I first read it aged 18 after LOTR, I have always found the tone and style of the story the most enjoyable of Tolkien's works, so perhaps I'm just biased in over looking it's flaws, I haven't seen AUJ since it came out so perhaps I'll feel differently come November (waiting for the EE)-it was a solid film, if very questionable adapation of the book

But of course this is just my ill informed probably non sensical opinion.

By the way although I rarely post replies about them, I have always loved (and rather admired-I sure couldn't do it) your fascinating interviews with the wider Tolkien community, once again my sincere thanks for a great interview...and sorry for the writing such a long winded (and boring most likely) reply!.

I don't have much to say.

Subject User Time
TORn chats with PeckishOwl creator of the Oakentoons News from Bree Send a private message to News from Bree Sep 29 2013, 8:44pm
    @ PeckishOwl re TH AUJ in French kiwifan Send a private message to kiwifan Sep 30 2013, 12:32pm
        Um kiwifan Kelvarhin Send a private message to Kelvarhin Oct 1 2013, 7:01am
    *mods WAY up!* Doodlers Rule!! :D grammaboodawg Send a private message to grammaboodawg Sep 30 2013, 10:59pm
        LOL Kelvarhin Send a private message to Kelvarhin Oct 1 2013, 7:03am
    What a fun interview Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 1 2013, 12:44am
        PeckishOwl is fun to talk to Kelvarhin Send a private message to Kelvarhin Oct 1 2013, 7:05am
    Thanks for this, Kelvahrin Riven Delve Send a private message to Riven Delve Oct 1 2013, 4:52pm
    Great fun interview...but... malickfan Send a private message to malickfan Oct 1 2013, 7:04pm
        Well... Kelvarhin Send a private message to Kelvarhin Oct 2 2013, 3:58am
            Possibly, but I doubt it. malickfan Send a private message to malickfan Oct 3 2013, 3:41pm
                You know it could make for an interesting article Kelvarhin Send a private message to Kelvarhin Oct 4 2013, 2:36am
    Great interview! Kim Send a private message to Kim Oct 4 2013, 3:20am


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