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Well...(lots of spoilery plot speculation)

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Sep 28 2013, 6:53am

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Well...(lots of spoilery plot speculation) [In reply to] Can't Post

It could be that way, but it may just be to break up the slow section of the second half of the movie. We'll start with action: Beorn, Mirkwood, the Barrel Escape/Orc chase and arrival at Laketown. Then....they will travel to the Mountain, search the mountainside for the secret door, and sit on the doorstep waiting for the thrush to knock. All pretty low on the action scale. Then we'll have Bilbo sneaking down the tunnel and conversing with Smaug, which will be tense but not a big action scene (at least until Bilbo steals the cup).

In the book, Smaug does come out and smash the side of the mountain and destroy the secret door, but the dwarves are already inside before he comes. Now we'll get the dwarves fighting back in some way but eventually taking refuge in the Mountain and Smaug then heading off to Laketown. We may get a sort of scenario like in Moria in FOTR, when the orcs all run off and Gimli is all "Ha!" until the Balrog shows up; the dwarves may think they've scared Smaug off until he comes and drives them inside and smashes the door. And that'll be all the action the dwarves ever get with Smaug, since the movie would end with them not knowing what happened to him. This may allay the wails of some non-readers who would be upset that the dwarves went all that way to confront the dragon, but...they never really do. Bilbo meets him, runs away, then they get trapped and then they sit around and wait for days for news which comes by...bird. It subverts the audience's expectations, which is great, but maybe they can use their invented confrontation to enforce how completely "outgunned" the dwarves are, before Smaug goes off to be slain by someone else.

I still think that having Smaug's attack on Laketown and the Bof5A in one movie is too much, and DOS needs an epic action setpiece to go out on. I don't think Dol Guldur would be satisfactory, given that that's the B-plotline, and not related to the title of the movie. I think Dol Guldur will carry over into TABA, being more related to the political machinations of the third movie and the most direct segue into LOTR. In fact, I think we may get a sort of cliffhanger at Dol Guldur, with DOS ending with Gandalf wounded and maybe even the battle's the outcome uncertain (unless finished off by Galadriel after Gandalf's "fall"). They may even play it so that Gandalf's arrival at the Lonely Mountain can come as a surprise to the audience (as it does in the book) and not just Bilbo. Not quite a Gandalf the White reveal hopefully (I could really do without another fake "death" in these movies), but at least the audience not knowing exactly where he is.

Or maybe they'll just use Gandalf to instigate the "Oh noes!" factor that will get people to come back for TABA: if Gandalf figures out that all the armies are converging on Erebor, there may be a "can he get there in time?" feeling to it. And Ian McKellen can give us a speech about how the dragon is destroyed but now there is another danger....

The more I think about it, the more ways I think of that they could play this and I can't wait to find out what they chose. *checks front page countdown clock*


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Subject User Time
I have a bad feeling about something... Intergalactic Lawman Send a private message to Intergalactic Lawman Sep 28 2013, 6:08am
    Well...(lots of spoilery plot speculation) Silverlode Send a private message to Silverlode Sep 28 2013, 6:53am
    And you know it's 'tacked on' - how? dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Sep 28 2013, 8:18am
        The question I have Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful Sep 28 2013, 12:55pm
            Well, I'm probably a hundred percent wrong, and then some.... dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Sep 28 2013, 1:13pm
                Bomby thinks this Thread is BEYOND... Bombadil Send a private message to Bombadil Sep 28 2013, 2:02pm
            This is my view as well Ham_Sammy Send a private message to Ham_Sammy Sep 28 2013, 10:46pm
    I for one welcome the change. Joe20 Send a private message to Joe20 Sep 28 2013, 8:28am
    Well don't just stand there -- try and brace it with something! Roheryn Send a private message to Roheryn Sep 28 2013, 11:29am
    What you call filler Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska Sep 28 2013, 12:34pm
    This Dwarf versus Dragon battle could be great or it could be awful, IMO. Noria Send a private message to Noria Sep 28 2013, 12:46pm
    I'm not convinced The Mitch King Send a private message to The Mitch King Sep 28 2013, 5:15pm
    It is hard to imagine Old Pilgrim Send a private message to Old Pilgrim Sep 29 2013, 9:38am
    Knew it... Intergalactic Lawman Send a private message to Intergalactic Lawman Oct 5 2013, 2:17am
        How do you figure? Elessar Send a private message to Elessar Oct 5 2013, 2:42am


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