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Semper Fi
Rohan
Sep 28 2013, 1:55am
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"female energy" is not a reason why women enjoy movies
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I cannot speak for all women but this is what I noticed - in movies/books with a central female characters, biggest draw for women is a male love interest. Titanic and Twilight aren't big because of Rose and Bella but because of Jack and Edward. Heck, I've met more women who absolutely hated female character and felt about her as a romantic rival (translation: wanted to claw her face!) than those who identified with her. Some of the most hated female characters are without doubt Kate Austen (Lost), Elizabeth Swann (POTC) and Bella (Twilight). Reason? They got men female fans wanted for themselves! I admit I'm guilty of the same so maybe that's a typical female viewer trait. Granted, all those hated female characters were also awfully annoying Mary Sues so hate was justified. However, it does seem that female viewers enjoy movies in a different way then men. I've never heard of men treating male characters as (romantic) rivals while this is very typical of female viewership when it comes to female characters. I'd say women are more possessive fans. Tumblr is a prime example how female fans found a way to deal with insufferable fictional female rival issue - pair male characters, ship them and no more stress. Sherlock and John belong together. Whatever female tries to butt in, fans know she means nothing. For he and he are one true pairing. Cue millions of fanfics. Heck, the whole fanfiction phenom is really dealing with insufferable fictional female rival. In fanfiction, you can pair your fictional crush with your self-insert (and suffer the Internet wraith) or another male character (and enjoy Internet approval). So from latter POV, LOTR was highly successful. Can't deal with Arwen? There's Legorn (portmanteau for Legolas/Aragorn pairing). By far most popular LOTR ship. So my point is that if you write a female character who is your Mary Sue (idealized self-insert), she is very likely going to misfire with broad female viewership because they'll sniff out the Sue and won't relate to her. In fact, they'll hate her guts.
"RadagaStoner deserves no mercy!" Tauriel the Radagast Slayer, the Chief of Inglorious Elfguards Tauriel saved us from Itaril. Never forget.
(This post was edited by Semper Fi on Sep 28 2013, 1:57am)
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A female's point of view
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Thranderz
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Sep 27 2013, 10:33pm
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Absolutely not, this is a femine forum! ;-)
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DanielLB
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Sep 27 2013, 10:44pm
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You may have a point Daniel. //
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Brethil
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Sep 27 2013, 11:01pm
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I'd expect more Tauriel fanboys ...
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DanielLB
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Sep 27 2013, 11:06pm
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Same here!
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Thranderz
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Sep 27 2013, 11:08pm
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Where *are* the fans? Good question
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Brethil
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Sep 27 2013, 11:19pm
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Maybe working at High Schools?
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Mikah
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Sep 28 2013, 1:36am
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Good for you Mikah!
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Brethil
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Sep 28 2013, 4:14am
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ooh, I like this one even better :-) //
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Kim
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Sep 28 2013, 5:59am
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ooh, i like that avatar! //
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Kim
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Sep 28 2013, 5:57am
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What's wrong with that?
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Dwarewien
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Sep 28 2013, 10:07pm
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There's absolutely nothing wrong with it at all. :-)
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DanielLB
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Sep 28 2013, 10:15pm
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I've never seen it that way.
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Mooseboy018
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Sep 27 2013, 10:52pm
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The view of all women? No.
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Ataahua
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Sep 27 2013, 10:52pm
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Oh yeah
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Thranderz
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Sep 27 2013, 10:57pm
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Phillipa Boyens' efforts are wasted on me.
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Elizabeth
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Sep 27 2013, 11:07pm
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I agree!
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Thranderz
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Sep 27 2013, 11:11pm
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*mods up*
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cats16
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Sep 27 2013, 11:35pm
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Welll
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Blkcpt
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Sep 27 2013, 11:54pm
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Absolutely agree with this
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Oleander Took
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Sep 27 2013, 11:48pm
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Agreed
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Ziggy Stardust
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Sep 28 2013, 12:20am
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I loved The Hobbit book with no females at all
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Lusitano
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Sep 28 2013, 1:47am
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Couldn't agree more...
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Eleniel
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Sep 28 2013, 7:43am
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How do you know that Tauriel is the only female guard?
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Sep 28 2013, 1:04pm
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We really have to stop meeting like this...
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Eleniel
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Sep 28 2013, 1:19pm
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I do tend to respond to people who I like and respect more than others //
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Sep 28 2013, 2:30pm
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I have the same "problem"
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Thranderz
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Sep 28 2013, 2:39pm
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Flatterer! //
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Eleniel
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Sep 28 2013, 8:11pm
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Just tellin' the truth! //
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Sep 28 2013, 8:21pm
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Elf-women generally fight only at extreme need
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Otaku-sempai
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Sep 28 2013, 6:18pm
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You could say Galadriel is a token female...
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Eleniel
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Sep 28 2013, 8:10pm
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Considering that Evie, Orli and Lee are about the same age (mid 30s)
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Semper Fi
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Sep 29 2013, 12:14pm
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Heaven knows Tolkien would never devise a lone female character
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Altaira
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Sep 28 2013, 6:23pm
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Eh, Eowyn wasn't the youngest Rohirrim eva who held the highest rank in military
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Semper Fi
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Sep 29 2013, 12:28pm
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Whoa
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Altaira
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Sep 29 2013, 3:19pm
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Well, writers are clueless
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Semper Fi
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Sep 29 2013, 7:12pm
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Erm.....
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dormouse
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Sep 29 2013, 7:41pm
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Not all writers, only this movie ones
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Semper Fi
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Sep 29 2013, 9:07pm
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Many situations, actually
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dormouse
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Sep 29 2013, 9:55pm
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Considering that they gave Eowyn a stew-cooking scene
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Semper Fi
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Sep 29 2013, 10:56pm
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Becoming Queen has nothing to do with character
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glor
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Sep 30 2013, 1:50am
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But in Rohan...
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arithmancer
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Sep 30 2013, 1:52am
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yes
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glor
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Sep 30 2013, 1:59am
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Yes, but...
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Silverlode
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Sep 30 2013, 2:03am
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if all males of the lineage died
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Semper Fi
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Sep 30 2013, 12:38pm
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What we know...
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Elizabeth
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Sep 29 2013, 8:53pm
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There has been a little more background since then
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Otaku-sempai
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Sep 30 2013, 2:27pm
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Er.....
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dormouse
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Sep 29 2013, 5:57pm
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If this were a movie just about the story of The Hobbit, I'd agree
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Altaira
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Sep 28 2013, 6:01pm
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Ditto! *mods up*
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Eowyn of Penns Woods
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Sep 29 2013, 1:13am
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My girlfriend and my sisters loved AUJ...
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DeadRabbits
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Sep 27 2013, 10:53pm
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Folks said that about LotR, too...
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Elizabeth
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Sep 27 2013, 10:57pm
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Interesting question...
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Arannir
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Sep 27 2013, 11:00pm
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I do not agree at all
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MediaMalable
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Sep 27 2013, 11:05pm
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I've met many of both of gender that love
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Elskidor
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Sep 27 2013, 11:28pm
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Don't be surprised.
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Elizabeth
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Sep 28 2013, 2:39am
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what she said. //
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Magpie
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Sep 28 2013, 2:52am
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Definitely not
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Ziggy Stardust
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Sep 28 2013, 12:10am
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I know several females, mine own lady included, who adore it, and not just because they desire Thorin, Aragorn or Thranduil, though
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AinurOlorin
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Sep 28 2013, 1:23am
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Nope!
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arithmancer
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Sep 28 2013, 1:29am
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"female energy" is not a reason why women enjoy movies
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Semper Fi
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Sep 28 2013, 1:55am
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I must be getting old
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Starling
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Sep 28 2013, 1:59am
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Heh, Starling...
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Silverlode
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Sep 28 2013, 6:16am
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OMG
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Starling
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Sep 28 2013, 6:19am
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Yes, Starling, there is a Thorin.
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Silverlode
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Sep 28 2013, 7:19am
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Mods up! 1,000 times mods up!! //
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dormouse
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Sep 28 2013, 8:48am
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The joys of TORn
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Starling
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Sep 28 2013, 9:15am
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I'm glad you figured it out.
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Silverlode
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Sep 30 2013, 1:25am
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I was familiar
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Starling
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Sep 30 2013, 2:16am
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So, as long as we believe in Thorin with all our might,
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Roheryn
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Sep 28 2013, 10:02am
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Oh wicked..... ;-)
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dormouse
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Sep 28 2013, 10:24am
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Maybe we need to do a series of parodies
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Roheryn
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Sep 28 2013, 10:57am
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There are certainly plenty of parody opportunities there....
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Silverlode
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Sep 30 2013, 1:28am
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We are all in the gutter...
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Starling
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Sep 30 2013, 2:19am
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wow....
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Cirashala
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Sep 28 2013, 6:21pm
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He's got a sword that's gleaming bright
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Lusitano
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Sep 28 2013, 6:22pm
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Priceless!
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Riven Delve
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Sep 28 2013, 11:39am
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You guys are killing me! :D //
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Ethel Duath
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Sep 28 2013, 5:52pm
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You said it!
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Semper Fi
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Sep 28 2013, 11:50am
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I don't think it's so much you failing to convey it
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Starling
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Sep 28 2013, 6:48pm
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I'm a guy and hated Kate from LOST because she made no sense to me at all
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Elskidor
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Sep 28 2013, 2:21am
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Can you explain why she made no sense to you?
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Starling
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Sep 28 2013, 4:40am
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Bomby likes to think of all these Books & Movies as...
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Bombadil
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Sep 28 2013, 5:55am
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No, just no....
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dormouse
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Sep 28 2013, 8:51am
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To be fair
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Na Vedui
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Sep 28 2013, 8:00pm
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How About this
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IdrilofGondolin
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Sep 28 2013, 2:27am
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feminine energy?
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Magpie
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Sep 28 2013, 2:51am
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If you find any extra feminine energy, Magpie,
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Roheryn
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Sep 28 2013, 10:59am
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Mods up! Wonderfully said!
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Ethel Duath
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Sep 28 2013, 5:28pm
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prefectly agree. Tolkien can/should connect with all, no matter what background //
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Xanaseb
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Sep 28 2013, 5:41pm
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Wow what a post
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Michelle Johnston
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Sep 29 2013, 7:37pm
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A little sexist;
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Olessan
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Sep 28 2013, 3:42am
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Oh no!
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Thranderz
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Sep 28 2013, 7:59am
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Relating?
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Roheryn
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Sep 28 2013, 10:52am
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Amen, sister!
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Werde Spinner
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Sep 30 2013, 3:27pm
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Nope
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Kim
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Sep 28 2013, 5:56am
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Speak for yourself - or at least, your girlfriend! ;-)
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dormouse
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Sep 28 2013, 8:43am
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Being as unbiased as I can
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demnation
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Sep 28 2013, 9:37am
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I know you didn't mean it to,
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Roheryn
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Sep 28 2013, 10:36am
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Females versus males and LOTR/The Hobbit
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Glorfindela
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Sep 28 2013, 10:41am
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Another woman here who has loved Tolkien’s books for decades.
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Noria
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Sep 28 2013, 12:30pm
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Older readers
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Na Vedui
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Sep 28 2013, 5:12pm
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Well
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Escapist
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Sep 28 2013, 1:05pm
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A Mom's review of The Hobbit
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burgahobbit
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Sep 28 2013, 1:09pm
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I dunno about this...
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StarGodziller
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Sep 28 2013, 3:26pm
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Hmm, interesting, I've found the opposite in fact. My mum loved it (and she's not usually into fantasy and the such!)
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Xanaseb
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Sep 28 2013, 5:15pm
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I certainly do not think it is boring, nor do I believe the characters aren't likeable.
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FaramirAndEowynMorningStar
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Sep 29 2013, 10:36am
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Not sure what planet you're living on....
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swordwhale
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Sep 30 2013, 4:06am
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