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Ardamírë
Valinor
Aug 24 2013, 4:12pm
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Unless Earendil & Elwing knew for a fact that their sons were dead (and they obviously didn't), I find it reprehensible that they'd just leave them to be. And also, it doesn't sound like any parent I've ever met. Think of all the missing children in the real world. Natalie Holloway still gets coverage in the news every now-and-again. I really can't see Earendil and Elwing just deserting their kids. I can easily see Elrond's parenting style being a reaction to his own parents' style. So are you essentially saying that Arwen, Elladan, and Elrohir were all given the choice between mortality and immortality because Elrond "messed up" and should have chosen the Gift of Mortality? It's certainly an interesting way to look at it. But I'm not sure how well that fits with Arwen's words that the gift is "bitter to receive".
THE SONG OF TUOR Only the reeds were rustling, but a mist lay on the streams Like a sea-roke drawn far inland, like a shred of salt sea-dreams. 'Twas in the Land of Willows that I heard th'unfathomed breath Of the Horns of Ylmir calling - and shall hear them till my death.
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Silmarillion discussion: Of the Voyage of Earendil and the War of Wrath
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Ardamírë
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Aug 13 2013, 10:57pm
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Of the Voyage of Earendil
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Ardamírë
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Aug 13 2013, 11:00pm
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The silmarils as a blessing, and as a passport to Valinor
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noWizardme
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Aug 14 2013, 10:46am
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dior and the silmaril
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Maciliel
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Aug 14 2013, 11:23am
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The fated messenger at the fated time
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noWizardme
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Aug 14 2013, 12:21pm
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On fate, with special attention to the actions of Valar.
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Rembrethil
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Aug 14 2013, 7:51pm
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I think
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Ardamírë
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Aug 14 2013, 2:12pm
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That makes sense - though on another level it doesn't
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noWizardme
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Aug 14 2013, 2:32pm
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The power of the Silmarils
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Rembrethil
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Aug 14 2013, 7:22pm
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Earendil's relationships...
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noWizardme
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Aug 14 2013, 10:56am
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Did Earendil have a choice?
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Ardamírë
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Aug 14 2013, 2:26pm
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Maybe it's a neat solution…
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noWizardme
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Aug 14 2013, 4:05pm
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Earendil's "choice"
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CuriousG
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Aug 26 2013, 4:11pm
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Dysfunctional relationships
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Rembrethil
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Aug 14 2013, 7:36pm
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Or, maybe "functional but unconventional"?
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noWizardme
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Aug 14 2013, 7:49pm
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Too true.
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Rembrethil
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Aug 14 2013, 8:07pm
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The unforgiving Teleri
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Hamfast Gamgee
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Aug 14 2013, 10:57pm
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Grudges
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Ardamírë
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Aug 17 2013, 9:28pm
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Great questions on the Voyage - some answers!
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Brethil
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Aug 15 2013, 12:35am
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Regarding Elrond and Elros
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Ardamírë
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Aug 24 2013, 4:12pm
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Bitter choices
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Brethil
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Aug 24 2013, 5:06pm
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Very interesting
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Ardamírë
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Aug 24 2013, 5:33pm
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I think she did make the right choice - and not an easy one either...!
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Brethil
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Aug 24 2013, 5:56pm
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True love
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Ardamírë
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Aug 24 2013, 7:45pm
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Yes, troubling
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CuriousG
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Aug 26 2013, 4:32pm
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Parallel to Elured & Elurin
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Ardamírë
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Aug 26 2013, 7:56pm
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Kudos for Elwing
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CuriousG
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Aug 26 2013, 8:09pm
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Maybe she'd have been more bitter
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Ardamírë
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Aug 26 2013, 8:16pm
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True, but
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CuriousG
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Aug 26 2013, 8:36pm
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Answers
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sador
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Aug 15 2013, 2:38pm
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Answers to your answers
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Ardamírë
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Aug 24 2013, 4:32pm
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Regarding the Elessar
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sador
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Aug 26 2013, 2:36pm
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Debatable, indeed! :-)
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Aug 26 2013, 3:03pm
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Thanks for clarifying!
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sador
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Aug 26 2013, 3:31pm
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Fascinating creative process!
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Aug 26 2013, 4:25pm
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Yes, indeed
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sador
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Aug 27 2013, 4:18pm
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I don't believe so
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Aug 27 2013, 5:56pm
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I prefer Enerdhil
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Ardamírë
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Aug 26 2013, 7:45pm
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The "demotion" of Celebrimbor
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sador
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Aug 27 2013, 5:26pm
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The Narn needed to be included
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Aug 27 2013, 5:50pm
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Celebrimbor
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Elthir
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Aug 27 2013, 12:01am
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Both excellent points.
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sador
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Aug 27 2013, 5:49pm
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Mother-names
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Elthir
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Aug 16 2013, 3:54pm
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The Problem of Ros
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Ardamírë
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Aug 24 2013, 4:50pm
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loan words
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Elthir
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Aug 25 2013, 4:50am
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My problem with scrapping it all
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Ardamírë
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Aug 26 2013, 7:30pm
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the silmaril coming into the west
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elostirion74
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Aug 16 2013, 5:21pm
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You add great insights!
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Ardamírë
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Aug 24 2013, 4:53pm
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and the War of Wrath
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Ardamírë
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Aug 13 2013, 11:01pm
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Ancalagon!
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noWizardme
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Aug 14 2013, 10:58am
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Ancalagon
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Ardamírë
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Aug 17 2013, 8:14pm
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I'm interested as to the type of battle
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Rembrethil
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Aug 17 2013, 8:57pm
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earendil and ancalagon
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Maciliel
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Aug 23 2013, 4:08am
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Manueverability gradient
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Brethil
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Aug 23 2013, 2:31pm
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ok, i've come up with something that works (for +me+)
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Maciliel
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Aug 23 2013, 4:58pm
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Completely as a side note...
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Brethil
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Aug 24 2013, 3:10am
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The Oath and its cancellation, and the final fate of the silmarils
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noWizardme
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Aug 14 2013, 11:11am
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During the war, Beleriand gets flooded. Where does the rest of the story take place?
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noWizardme
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Aug 14 2013, 11:16am
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the sinking of Beleriand, the short answer
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Elthir
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Aug 15 2013, 1:50pm
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Agreed Elthir
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Brethil
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Aug 15 2013, 3:54pm
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confusing waters
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Elthir
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Aug 16 2013, 11:50am
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Thanks for all this Elthir!
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Brethil
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Aug 16 2013, 8:00pm
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Observation of the War of Wrath
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Rembrethil
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Aug 14 2013, 8:27pm
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Maedhros
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Elthir
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Aug 15 2013, 1:23pm
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My UUT
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Rembrethil
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Aug 15 2013, 9:56pm
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Maedhros
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Ardamírë
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Aug 17 2013, 9:26pm
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a few answers
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elostirion74
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Aug 16 2013, 3:04pm
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Late answers
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sador
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Aug 18 2013, 5:44pm
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More answers
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Ardamírë
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Aug 24 2013, 5:02pm
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I vote "climactic letdown"
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noWizardme
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Aug 14 2013, 11:19am
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I have to agree
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Ardamírë
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Aug 14 2013, 2:18pm
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I don't know much about the source material...
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Riven Delve
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Aug 14 2013, 11:49pm
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Some textual notes
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Ardamírë
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Aug 17 2013, 9:54pm
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Wish it was more detailed!
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Brethil
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Aug 14 2013, 11:41pm
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long prose version
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Elthir
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Aug 15 2013, 1:43pm
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What parts of the story would you prefer to see expanded?NT
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elostirion74
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Aug 16 2013, 4:47pm
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Expanded interactions I think would be nice
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Brethil
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Aug 16 2013, 7:48pm
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simplicity one of the strong points of the story
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elostirion74
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Aug 19 2013, 12:59pm
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Expansion points
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Brethil
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Aug 21 2013, 2:03am
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Voyage of Earendil
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Meneldor
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Aug 21 2013, 4:31am
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Or we could have a Muppets mash-up..."Ellllllves....in...spaaaaace!" //
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Brethil
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Aug 23 2013, 2:25pm
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Great thought!
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Ardamírë
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Aug 24 2013, 4:54pm
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Totally agreed, Brethil
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Ardamírë
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Aug 17 2013, 9:32pm
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A lovely hope!
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Brethil
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Aug 17 2013, 10:45pm
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HP, Star Wars
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arithmancer
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Aug 17 2013, 11:09pm
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Thanks Arithmancer !
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Brethil
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Aug 17 2013, 11:20pm
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Could the Silmarilion ever have been finished?
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noWizardme
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Aug 18 2013, 8:11am
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I wonder too Furincurunir...
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Brethil
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Aug 23 2013, 1:58am
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Actually I'm very satisfied with the shape and structure of this chapter as it is
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elostirion74
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Aug 15 2013, 3:05pm
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Interesting!
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Ardamírë
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Aug 24 2013, 4:37pm
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some answers
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elostirion74
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Aug 26 2013, 6:59pm
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Mythic quality
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Ardamírë
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Aug 26 2013, 8:03pm
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I'm curious as to what Voronwe's book
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Ethel Duath
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Aug 15 2013, 10:32pm
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Unfortunately, there's not much source material
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Ardamírë
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Aug 24 2013, 4:45pm
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Ah, I see. There's never enough time for something of
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Ethel Duath
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Aug 24 2013, 4:49pm
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It's also interesting
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Ardamírë
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Aug 24 2013, 5:04pm
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That's interesting--
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Ethel Duath
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Aug 24 2013, 5:34pm
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That could very well be
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Ardamírë
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Aug 24 2013, 7:42pm
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Quick answer
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CuriousG
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Aug 26 2013, 4:07pm
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Agreed
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Ardamírë
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Aug 26 2013, 7:49pm
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