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noWizardme
Half-elven
Aug 14 2013, 11:19am
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A lot of exciting stuff happens highly summarized, and it leaves us with a lot of questions. Is there a sense in which Tolkien knew about Earendil's voyage (from quite early in his writings, I think?) but left the rest of the chapter in early draft?
Disclaimers: The words of noWizardme may stand on their heads! I'm often wrong about things, and its fun to be taught more.... "nowimë I am in the West, Furincurunir to the Dwarves (or at least, to their best friend) and by other names in other lands. Mostly they just say 'Oh no it's him - look busy!' " Or "Hold off! unhand me, grey-beard loon!"
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Silmarillion discussion: Of the Voyage of Earendil and the War of Wrath
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Ardamírë
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Aug 13 2013, 10:57pm
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Of the Voyage of Earendil
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Ardamírë
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Aug 13 2013, 11:00pm
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The silmarils as a blessing, and as a passport to Valinor
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noWizardme
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Aug 14 2013, 10:46am
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dior and the silmaril
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Maciliel
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Aug 14 2013, 11:23am
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The fated messenger at the fated time
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noWizardme
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Aug 14 2013, 12:21pm
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On fate, with special attention to the actions of Valar.
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Rembrethil
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Aug 14 2013, 7:51pm
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I think
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Ardamírë
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Aug 14 2013, 2:12pm
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That makes sense - though on another level it doesn't
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noWizardme
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Aug 14 2013, 2:32pm
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The power of the Silmarils
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Rembrethil
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Aug 14 2013, 7:22pm
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Earendil's relationships...
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noWizardme
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Aug 14 2013, 10:56am
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Did Earendil have a choice?
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Ardamírë
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Aug 14 2013, 2:26pm
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Maybe it's a neat solution…
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noWizardme
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Aug 14 2013, 4:05pm
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Earendil's "choice"
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CuriousG
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Aug 26 2013, 4:11pm
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Dysfunctional relationships
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Rembrethil
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Aug 14 2013, 7:36pm
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Or, maybe "functional but unconventional"?
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noWizardme
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Aug 14 2013, 7:49pm
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Too true.
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Rembrethil
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Aug 14 2013, 8:07pm
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The unforgiving Teleri
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Hamfast Gamgee
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Aug 14 2013, 10:57pm
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Grudges
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Ardamírë
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Aug 17 2013, 9:28pm
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Great questions on the Voyage - some answers!
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Brethil
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Aug 15 2013, 12:35am
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Regarding Elrond and Elros
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Ardamírë
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Aug 24 2013, 4:12pm
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Bitter choices
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Brethil
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Aug 24 2013, 5:06pm
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Very interesting
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Ardamírë
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Aug 24 2013, 5:33pm
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I think she did make the right choice - and not an easy one either...!
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Brethil
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Aug 24 2013, 5:56pm
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True love
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Ardamírë
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Aug 24 2013, 7:45pm
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Yes, troubling
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CuriousG
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Aug 26 2013, 4:32pm
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Parallel to Elured & Elurin
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Ardamírë
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Aug 26 2013, 7:56pm
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Kudos for Elwing
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CuriousG
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Aug 26 2013, 8:09pm
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Maybe she'd have been more bitter
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Ardamírë
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Aug 26 2013, 8:16pm
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True, but
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CuriousG
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Aug 26 2013, 8:36pm
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Answers
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sador
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Aug 15 2013, 2:38pm
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Answers to your answers
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Ardamírë
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Aug 24 2013, 4:32pm
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Regarding the Elessar
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sador
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Aug 26 2013, 2:36pm
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Debatable, indeed! :-)
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Aug 26 2013, 3:03pm
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Thanks for clarifying!
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sador
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Aug 26 2013, 3:31pm
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Fascinating creative process!
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Aug 26 2013, 4:25pm
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Yes, indeed
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sador
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Aug 27 2013, 4:18pm
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I don't believe so
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Aug 27 2013, 5:56pm
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I prefer Enerdhil
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Ardamírë
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Aug 26 2013, 7:45pm
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The "demotion" of Celebrimbor
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sador
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Aug 27 2013, 5:26pm
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The Narn needed to be included
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Aug 27 2013, 5:50pm
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Celebrimbor
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Elthir
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Aug 27 2013, 12:01am
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Both excellent points.
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sador
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Aug 27 2013, 5:49pm
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Mother-names
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Elthir
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Aug 16 2013, 3:54pm
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The Problem of Ros
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Ardamírë
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Aug 24 2013, 4:50pm
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loan words
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Elthir
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Aug 25 2013, 4:50am
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My problem with scrapping it all
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Ardamírë
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Aug 26 2013, 7:30pm
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the silmaril coming into the west
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elostirion74
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Aug 16 2013, 5:21pm
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You add great insights!
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Ardamírë
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Aug 24 2013, 4:53pm
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and the War of Wrath
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Ardamírë
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Aug 13 2013, 11:01pm
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Ancalagon!
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noWizardme
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Aug 14 2013, 10:58am
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Ancalagon
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Ardamírë
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Aug 17 2013, 8:14pm
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I'm interested as to the type of battle
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Rembrethil
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Aug 17 2013, 8:57pm
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earendil and ancalagon
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Maciliel
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Aug 23 2013, 4:08am
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Manueverability gradient
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Brethil
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Aug 23 2013, 2:31pm
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ok, i've come up with something that works (for +me+)
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Maciliel
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Aug 23 2013, 4:58pm
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Completely as a side note...
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Brethil
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Aug 24 2013, 3:10am
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The Oath and its cancellation, and the final fate of the silmarils
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noWizardme
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Aug 14 2013, 11:11am
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During the war, Beleriand gets flooded. Where does the rest of the story take place?
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noWizardme
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Aug 14 2013, 11:16am
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the sinking of Beleriand, the short answer
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Elthir
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Aug 15 2013, 1:50pm
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Agreed Elthir
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Brethil
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Aug 15 2013, 3:54pm
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confusing waters
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Elthir
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Aug 16 2013, 11:50am
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Thanks for all this Elthir!
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Brethil
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Aug 16 2013, 8:00pm
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Observation of the War of Wrath
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Rembrethil
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Aug 14 2013, 8:27pm
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Maedhros
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Elthir
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Aug 15 2013, 1:23pm
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My UUT
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Rembrethil
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Aug 15 2013, 9:56pm
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Maedhros
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Ardamírë
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Aug 17 2013, 9:26pm
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a few answers
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elostirion74
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Aug 16 2013, 3:04pm
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Late answers
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sador
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Aug 18 2013, 5:44pm
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More answers
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Ardamírë
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Aug 24 2013, 5:02pm
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I vote "climactic letdown"
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noWizardme
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Aug 14 2013, 11:19am
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I have to agree
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Ardamírë
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Aug 14 2013, 2:18pm
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I don't know much about the source material...
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Riven Delve
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Aug 14 2013, 11:49pm
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Some textual notes
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Ardamírë
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Aug 17 2013, 9:54pm
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Wish it was more detailed!
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Brethil
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Aug 14 2013, 11:41pm
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long prose version
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Elthir
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Aug 15 2013, 1:43pm
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What parts of the story would you prefer to see expanded?NT
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elostirion74
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Aug 16 2013, 4:47pm
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Expanded interactions I think would be nice
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Brethil
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Aug 16 2013, 7:48pm
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simplicity one of the strong points of the story
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elostirion74
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Aug 19 2013, 12:59pm
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Expansion points
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Brethil
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Aug 21 2013, 2:03am
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Voyage of Earendil
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Meneldor
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Aug 21 2013, 4:31am
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Or we could have a Muppets mash-up..."Ellllllves....in...spaaaaace!" //
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Brethil
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Aug 23 2013, 2:25pm
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Great thought!
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Ardamírë
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Aug 24 2013, 4:54pm
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Totally agreed, Brethil
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Ardamírë
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Aug 17 2013, 9:32pm
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A lovely hope!
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Brethil
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Aug 17 2013, 10:45pm
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HP, Star Wars
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arithmancer
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Aug 17 2013, 11:09pm
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Thanks Arithmancer !
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Brethil
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Aug 17 2013, 11:20pm
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Could the Silmarilion ever have been finished?
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noWizardme
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Aug 18 2013, 8:11am
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I wonder too Furincurunir...
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Brethil
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Aug 23 2013, 1:58am
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Actually I'm very satisfied with the shape and structure of this chapter as it is
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elostirion74
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Aug 15 2013, 3:05pm
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Interesting!
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Ardamírë
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Aug 24 2013, 4:37pm
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some answers
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elostirion74
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Aug 26 2013, 6:59pm
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Mythic quality
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Ardamírë
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Aug 26 2013, 8:03pm
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I'm curious as to what Voronwe's book
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Ethel Duath
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Aug 15 2013, 10:32pm
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Unfortunately, there's not much source material
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Ardamírë
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Aug 24 2013, 4:45pm
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Ah, I see. There's never enough time for something of
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Ethel Duath
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Aug 24 2013, 4:49pm
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It's also interesting
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Ardamírë
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Aug 24 2013, 5:04pm
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That's interesting--
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Ethel Duath
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Aug 24 2013, 5:34pm
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That could very well be
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Ardamírë
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Aug 24 2013, 7:42pm
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Quick answer
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CuriousG
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Aug 26 2013, 4:07pm
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Agreed
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Ardamírë
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Aug 26 2013, 7:49pm
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