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Tatyarin Avari


Aug 7 2013, 3:56pm

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Tatyarin Avari [In reply to] Can't Post

At one point Tolkien did imagine Eol as an Avar, but if I recall correctly, later he imagined Eol as Eldarin.

In response to the thread in general...

... according to Quendi And Eldar, the Nelyarin or 'Lindarin' Avari [Avari from the Third Clan] could be friendly with their 'Telerin brothers', and later often merged in Eriador and in the Anduin Vale. The Avarin Elves known as Penni were said to be among the most friendly to the fugitives from Beleriand [that noted, even later text published in Unfinished Tales suggests that the Silvan Elves of Mirkwood are Telerin, with no mention, at least, of any Avari mixing in here].

The Avari in general continued to call themselves 'the people' [see the forms, for examples: kindi, cuind, hwenti, windan, kinn-lai, penni], regarding those who went away as deserters.

It was noted that the Tatyarin Avari of Beleriand [Avari from the Second Clan, from which clan came the Noldor as well], were unfriendly to the Noldor, and jealous of their more exalted kin, whom they accused of arrogance.

However, a later text [I think it's Of Dwarves And Men maybe] seems to say that it was doubtful that any of the Avari reached Beleriand [at least], but I'm not sure there is any way to know whether JRRT had forgotten what he had already written, or was purposely revising it.

Or if there is, I forget Wink

(This post was edited by Elthir on Aug 7 2013, 4:06pm)

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Speculation: What are the Avari like? thatlldo Send a private message to thatlldo Aug 6 2013, 6:01am
    I always thought of them..... Rembrethil Send a private message to Rembrethil Aug 6 2013, 1:42pm
    Tribal Elves Fredeghar Wayfarer Send a private message to Fredeghar Wayfarer Aug 6 2013, 5:45pm
        Tatyarin Avari Elthir Send a private message to Elthir Aug 7 2013, 3:56pm
            It would seem strange CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Aug 7 2013, 6:11pm
                trying to locate the Refusers Elthir Send a private message to Elthir Aug 8 2013, 4:54pm
    Did the Avari affect the Chinese civilization? Faenoriel Send a private message to Faenoriel Aug 7 2013, 1:49pm
    avari vs teleri Cirashala Send a private message to Cirashala Aug 9 2013, 10:11pm


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