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dormouse
Half-elven
Jul 25 2013, 7:32pm
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Yes, but I think the whole point they were making...
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... well at least, that's how it seemed to me, was that she had chosen Aragorn, therefore she would die. Her choice was made and there was no place for her on the ships. The only remaining chance of immortality for her would be the one human beings have - a child to carry her line into the future. Aragorn's victory did save her in that sense. Because he accepted the challenge that came with the sword, fought the war and achieved his kingship they were able to marry and produce Eldarion - the future for them both and the reason why she turned her back on Elvish immortality. She accepted (eventual) death in order to produce life. If Aragorn had ducked the fight, or had failed, her sacrifice would have been for nothing. I thought - still do think - that was a very neat piece of storytelling in the film. It dramatised the implications of the choice which Arwen did make in the book
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Will the real purist please stand up?
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The Mitch King
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Jul 21 2013, 7:15am
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He did some things right, some wrong, in LotR.
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Elizabeth
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Jul 21 2013, 7:38am
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Bombadil..
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MouthofSauron
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Jul 21 2013, 7:57am
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Agreed.//
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Elizabeth
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Jul 21 2013, 7:59am
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So what?
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aarondirebear
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Jul 26 2013, 2:03pm
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after watching Rankin/Bass Return Of The King
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Barrow-Wight
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Jul 21 2013, 8:12am
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I refuse to watch the Rankin/Bass for the reasons you listed
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Ziggy Stardust
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Jul 22 2013, 12:07am
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and they also forgot
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Barrow-Wight
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Jul 22 2013, 12:45am
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No need for me to post now.
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Aunt Dora Baggins
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Jul 21 2013, 8:36am
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Pretty much spot on.
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Bumpypotato
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Jul 21 2013, 9:17am
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you forgot Faramir...also,
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FrogmortonJustice65
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Jul 21 2013, 5:08pm
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I can't speak for Elizabeth.
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RosieLass
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Jul 21 2013, 10:49pm
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"Arwen is leaving/dying"
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Elizabeth
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Jul 25 2013, 7:39am
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Arwen dying
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Brethil
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Jul 25 2013, 2:43pm
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"The failing...may then be ascribed... to the evil of Arda Marred..."
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Darkstone
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Jul 25 2013, 2:57pm
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That is what I always thought, Darkenstone and Brethil.
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Rembrethil
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Jul 25 2013, 3:00pm
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Yes but...
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Elizabeth
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Jul 25 2013, 6:16pm
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Yes, but I think the whole point they were making...
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dormouse
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Jul 25 2013, 7:32pm
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Much better than the book.
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Darkstone
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Jul 25 2013, 7:39pm
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No clue
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Ardamírë
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Jul 25 2013, 8:38pm
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Elrond implied her death was imminent...
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Elizabeth
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Jul 26 2013, 7:18am
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Arwen ..Laid herself to rest upon Cerin Amroth
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Michelle Johnston
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Jul 26 2013, 3:20pm
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Excellent reference - thank you Darkstone! //
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Brethil
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Jul 25 2013, 3:09pm
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what lead
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Elthir
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Jul 25 2013, 5:33pm
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False jeopardy arcs
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Michelle Johnston
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Jul 27 2013, 9:46pm
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Agreed
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aruman
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Jul 21 2013, 9:42pm
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You hit it!
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Ziggy Stardust
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Jul 22 2013, 12:05am
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I agree with you on much of this. In a few instances I FERVENTLY AGREE. On a few other points I have some contention.
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AinurOlorin
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Jul 24 2013, 9:01am
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It's funny you mentioned Frodo wearing pants in Cirith Ungol...
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jtarkey
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Jul 24 2013, 9:06am
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I didn't expect full nudity. But I also thought it ridiculous to have trousers. A loincloth
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AinurOlorin
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Jul 24 2013, 10:05am
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RE Gandalf vs. the Witch King
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Elizabeth
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Jul 25 2013, 7:52am
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Absolutely agree. About this and the eariler "Arwen 'passing' as superflous refuse", but especially about this.
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AinurOlorin
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Jul 26 2013, 10:22pm
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I insist on the entire Red Book-- not JRRT's shoddy abridged version.//
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L. Ron Halfelven
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Jul 26 2013, 4:46pm
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What is a purist?
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dormouse
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Jul 21 2013, 8:41am
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I would call myself a "Cinematic Purist"
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jtarkey
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Jul 21 2013, 11:33am
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"Star Wars" you mean?
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Inferno
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Jul 21 2013, 1:51pm
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Inferno, I agree with your whole post ...
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Brethil
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Jul 21 2013, 10:22pm
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I understand Your point but Disagree
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IdrilofGondolin
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Jul 22 2013, 6:09pm
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The interesting thing for me
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Inferno
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Jul 22 2013, 8:44pm
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Agree about The Silmarillion
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IdrilofGondolin
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Jul 22 2013, 8:59pm
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I have the opposite problem
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malickfan
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Jul 23 2013, 12:55pm
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I am a book and movie fan.
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Noria
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Jul 23 2013, 1:31pm
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Thank you for a very reasoned opinion, Inferno
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g-stormcrow
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Jul 23 2013, 11:13pm
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I think
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shadowdog
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Jul 21 2013, 3:50pm
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I respectfully disagree...
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Morthoron
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Jul 21 2013, 5:22pm
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I agree with you. //
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geordie
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Jul 21 2013, 5:37pm
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Good points
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aruman
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Jul 21 2013, 9:50pm
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Or better yet...
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Morthoron
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Jul 22 2013, 12:11am
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Did someone say 'XenArwen'?
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Inferno
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Jul 22 2013, 1:49am
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Wait, has she got horns?? Or have her ears over-grown? /
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Ataahua
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Jul 22 2013, 2:47am
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I believe those are just ridiculous-length ears. //
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Inferno
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Jul 22 2013, 3:39am
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I do not like those categories.
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Arannir
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Jul 21 2013, 11:49am
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AGREE
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Buchanicus
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Jul 22 2013, 1:31am
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And it does feel like a class-system
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Buchanicus
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Jul 22 2013, 1:55am
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Yeah, how dare they?
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Inferno
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Jul 22 2013, 2:00am
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Haha!
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Buchanicus
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Jul 22 2013, 3:22am
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To join the Purist Front of Judea you've got to REALLY hate the movies.//
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L. Ron Halfelven
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Jul 22 2013, 2:19am
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I thought it was the Judean Purist Front... or was it Purists'? I'm confused!//
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Arandiel
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Jul 22 2013, 5:18pm
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Not me.
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Noria
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Jul 21 2013, 12:08pm
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Oh yes, I like a good deal of it!
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jtarkey
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Jul 21 2013, 12:11pm
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Being true to a book and any book really
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Welsh hero
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Jul 21 2013, 4:46pm
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'Real lunatics don't join them, I think'.
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geordie
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Jul 21 2013, 5:36pm
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As the only true purist, I deplore the movie's lack of a binding.//
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L. Ron Halfelven
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Jul 21 2013, 8:06pm
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Do you prefer leather or cloth? //
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RosieLass
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Jul 21 2013, 10:54pm
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That, undoubtedly, is the purest bit of purism...
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Morthoron
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Jul 22 2013, 12:02am
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And gold leaf. What happened to standards? //
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Silverlode
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Jul 22 2013, 2:33am
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Re:
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Retro315
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Jul 22 2013, 2:55am
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Once upon a time...
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Kathuphazgân
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Jul 22 2013, 3:05am
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That's a great little anecdote!
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demnation
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Jul 22 2013, 4:05am
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Thanks for sharing that, K. And I, as a purist, proudly stand up!
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Altaira
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Jul 22 2013, 4:37am
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Shippey's books are fantastic!
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RosieLass
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Jul 22 2013, 4:03pm
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I think JRRT may have liked
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Elenorflower
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Jul 22 2013, 4:34pm
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I just can't see Tolkien liking the movies either.
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Noria
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Jul 24 2013, 12:30pm
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and some.
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Michelle Johnston
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Jul 24 2013, 9:43pm
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Tom Shippey knows more about what JRR would dis/like than Christopher?
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g-stormcrow
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Jul 23 2013, 9:09pm
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I don't think that's what was said
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entmaiden
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Jul 23 2013, 9:46pm
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I'm pretty sure that's exactly what was said
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g-stormcrow
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Jul 23 2013, 11:00pm
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YOU introduced Christopher Tolkien.
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entmaiden
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Jul 23 2013, 11:37pm
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"Demanded" is a pretty strong word
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g-stormcrow
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Jul 24 2013, 4:57am
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"Reasonable debate" does not include...
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RosieLass
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Jul 24 2013, 3:19pm
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Then it was YOU with the candlestick in the kitchen who introduced Christopher Tolkien!!! **GASP**
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g-stormcrow
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Jul 24 2013, 8:00pm
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Let's move on
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entmaiden
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Jul 24 2013, 8:21pm
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If I could ask to add my opinion briefly,
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GoBlue
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Jul 25 2013, 2:37am
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I think reading
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ElendilTheShort
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Jul 25 2013, 7:39am
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Frankly, Jackson did much better than Zimmerman.
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Elizabeth
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Jul 25 2013, 8:04am
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Agreed
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ElendilTheShort
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Jul 25 2013, 11:20am
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studio claptrap
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Elthir
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Jul 25 2013, 2:28pm
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I wouldn't call the films disastrous. Given the time alloted them, both the animated Hobbit and the
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AinurOlorin
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Jul 26 2013, 10:27pm
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On Shippey - Well, yes and no, I think -
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geordie
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Jul 24 2013, 9:39am
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Great story K! Glad you had that chance meeting...!
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Brethil
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Jul 23 2013, 10:25pm
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What always amazes me about the Zimmerman letter...
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Darkstone
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Jul 24 2013, 2:55pm
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Absolutely Darkstone!
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Brethil
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Jul 24 2013, 4:59pm
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Assuming Tom Shippey even exists and you're not just making him up ;-).....
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L. Ron Halfelven
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Jul 24 2013, 1:48pm
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For what it's worth -
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geordie
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Jul 24 2013, 2:38pm
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Powerful subjects: religion and politics...
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Brethil
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Jul 24 2013, 8:17pm
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Thank you for sharing the very charming personal anecdote.
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Darkstone
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Jul 24 2013, 2:42pm
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JRRT as always provides the answer
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Michelle Johnston
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Jul 22 2013, 10:50am
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I was once a purist
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Werde Spinner
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Jul 22 2013, 8:26pm
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well
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elostirion74
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Jul 23 2013, 2:43pm
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PJ's interpretation of AUJ turned me into a book purist
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Faenoriel
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Jul 23 2013, 8:01pm
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Me, I was harsh with LOTR trilogy, now I am pleased with The Hobbit
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Marionette
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Jul 24 2013, 7:30pm
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Purist is a badge of honor
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aarondirebear
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Jul 26 2013, 2:00pm
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Purism?
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Elthir
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Jul 26 2013, 4:28pm
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Faithfull translation
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ElendilTheShort
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Jul 26 2013, 9:26pm
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And the 'little' things
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Elthir
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Jul 27 2013, 12:56am
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As wrong as Gandalfs death speech is
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ElendilTheShort
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Jul 27 2013, 10:07am
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next stop: Mandos
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Elthir
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Jul 27 2013, 2:20pm
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Is it too late to walk into this thread and declare I am the real purist?
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DanielLB
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Jul 26 2013, 3:57pm
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Hilarious ROFLOL!!!
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Rembrethil
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Jul 26 2013, 4:10pm
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"Bow"? Okay. (mutters *where's my violin...?*)
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Brethil
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Jul 26 2013, 4:15pm
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