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Brethil
Half-elven
Jul 24 2013, 12:37am
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Very interesting essay, and the discussion following it has been delightful to read (puns and all!) So, the question I bring to this discussion, is, if the Valar were responsible for drowning Beleriand (full of lovely trees -- sorry Brethil!) and the resulting climatic conditions were unfavourable for original tree species reforestation, just how irate was Yavanna at all this!!?? Oh that's a good question Telain. (And yes its sad memory for me. All my lovely trees!) It seems that with the withdrawal of the Valar form the spheres of life in Arda perhaps Yavanna suffers the most; Ulmo the least. I'm sure she feels profoundly the actual loss of the trees and the wildlife that are lost with Beleriand; and as you say, then there are climate changes to follow that change parts of the world, especially the Western coast. Plus she has less involvement as time progresses. My hope is that after Morgoth is overthrown, there is that ruinous sinking, but then maybe some stable years (where as you say, the squirrel can travel in the trees - I can't quite find the line either! Is it Treebeard?) where life flourishes.
The first TORn Amateur Symposium starts this week in the Reading Room! Come and join in!
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TORn AMATEUR SYMPOSIUM - Day Three: Geography and Literature, Art & Language
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Jul 23 2013, 4:31am
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Subthread for "Sudden Climate Change or Anthropogenic Interference?" by DanielLB
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TORn Amateur Symposium
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Jul 23 2013, 4:35am
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Look out for the edge
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squire
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Jul 23 2013, 12:08pm
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I agree ...
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DanielLB
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Jul 23 2013, 1:04pm
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* Magical factors not included
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noWizardme
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Jul 23 2013, 5:18pm
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Maybe Tolkien had a historical example just down the road
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noWizardme
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Jul 23 2013, 3:25pm
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Absolutely.
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DanielLB
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Jul 23 2013, 4:02pm
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Thanks for linking that dig info
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Brethil
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Jul 23 2013, 4:14pm
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It was a grand day out
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noWizardme
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Jul 23 2013, 5:21pm
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I really enjoyed your discussion here Daniel
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elaen32
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Jul 23 2013, 10:20pm
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The 'new' shortsightedness of Mortality?
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Brethil
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Jul 23 2013, 10:33pm
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Thanks elaen :-)
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DanielLB
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Jul 24 2013, 10:00am
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geography and Tolkien: how could I refuse?
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telain
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Jul 23 2013, 11:48pm
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Loss of forest (Brethil!) ;-(
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Brethil
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Jul 24 2013, 12:37am
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I'm hoping that Yavanna wouldn't be to stroppy about loosing the forest
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DanielLB
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Jul 24 2013, 10:04am
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All true (and don't make me cluch my forehead about the Valar)
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Brethil
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Jul 24 2013, 4:53pm
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Yes, Yavanna should just get a life! Er..
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elaen32
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Jul 24 2013, 9:28pm
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although...
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telain
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Jul 25 2013, 8:56pm
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True about Sirion's loss especially
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Brethil
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Jul 25 2013, 10:08pm
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I'm glad you enjoyed it telain :-)
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DanielLB
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Jul 24 2013, 9:48am
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thank you for finding that quote!
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telain
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Jul 26 2013, 4:55pm
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I think the BBC are reading our TAS discussions!
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DanielLB
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Jul 24 2013, 10:28am
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Spies of Saruman!!//
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elaen32
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Jul 24 2013, 9:26pm
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Very uncanny! (waving: Hullo BBC!)
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Brethil
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Jul 25 2013, 1:05am
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Subthread for "Falling Into Untended Age: Ithilien as a Post-pastoral Land", by Squire
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TORn Amateur Symposium
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Jul 23 2013, 4:36am
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From a geographical perceptive...
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DanielLB
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Jul 23 2013, 1:37pm
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Ah - the Dryad!
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Brethil
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Jul 23 2013, 3:21pm
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somewhere worth fighting to protect and regain
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noWizardme
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Jul 23 2013, 3:49pm
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I love this evocative description too, Squire
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elaen32
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Jul 23 2013, 10:09pm
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An immersive passage
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Rembrethil
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Jul 23 2013, 10:14pm
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Heartily agree with all of this Rembrethil! //
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Brethil
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Jul 23 2013, 10:27pm
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Well done, Squire
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Magpie
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Jul 24 2013, 3:28am
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Glad for your thoughts Magpie. And great to see you! //
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Brethil
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Jul 24 2013, 4:55am
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something fitting about a late response to a post-pastoral landscape...
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telain
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Jul 30 2013, 2:38pm
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Telain Teldaquent appears ...
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Brethil
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Jul 30 2013, 4:28pm
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"the re-establishment of a Holy Roman Empire with its seat in Rome..."
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squire
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Jul 30 2013, 5:44pm
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Charlemagne, son of Arleman, son of Aragan, son of...
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telain
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Jul 30 2013, 10:40pm
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Sil cultures
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Brethil
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Jul 31 2013, 12:04am
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exactly!
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telain
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Jul 31 2013, 4:36pm
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Culture as a function of language
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Brethil
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Jul 31 2013, 5:30pm
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That bit ties in beautifully with your ideas...
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Brethil
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Jul 31 2013, 5:40pm
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you have the eyes of a hawk...
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telain
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Jul 30 2013, 10:23pm
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Flat earth evolution - and those poor trees!
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Brethil
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Jul 23 2013, 2:31pm
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Good point about ships only lasting 20 years
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DanielLB
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Jul 23 2013, 3:09pm
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The Shire vs Numenor
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Brethil
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Jul 23 2013, 4:29pm
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"Bringing up young hobbits took a lot of provender"
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squire
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Jul 23 2013, 5:14pm
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Very agreed Squire! //
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Brethil
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Jul 23 2013, 5:25pm
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The problem with "the good old days"…
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noWizardme
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Jul 23 2013, 5:36pm
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So true!!!!
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Brethil
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Jul 23 2013, 5:41pm
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The answer is obvious if unthinkable.
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Darkstone
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Jul 23 2013, 6:04pm
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Hobbit society
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Brethil
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Jul 23 2013, 7:23pm
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Or at least the wood.
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Darkstone
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Jul 23 2013, 8:13pm
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Naval tree production
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noWizardme
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Jul 23 2013, 3:28pm
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An Industry!
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Brethil
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Jul 23 2013, 7:12pm
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Victory takes years of preparation
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noWizardme
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Jul 23 2013, 7:50pm
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We do pine for puns, and I love this one Furincurunir //
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Brethil
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Jul 23 2013, 9:23pm
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Seemed a bit lumbering to me. /
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Darkstone
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Jul 23 2013, 9:27pm
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Knot that yew or I will mind. //
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Brethil
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Jul 23 2013, 9:52pm
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I'll bough to the timber of your post. /
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Darkstone
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Jul 23 2013, 9:54pm
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That's awfully sweetgum of you Darkstone. //
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Brethil
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Jul 23 2013, 9:59pm
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Merci tree bien pour votre bon knots! /
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Darkstone
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Jul 24 2013, 1:37pm
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As always, your words bee balm to mine ears! //
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Brethil
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Jul 24 2013, 3:44pm
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If it went against the grain, though,it wood need a little sprucing up to be any good.
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Rembrethil
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Jul 23 2013, 10:02pm
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Nice! You have punning in the palm of your hand! //
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Brethil
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Jul 23 2013, 10:04pm
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Not more puns...
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elaen32
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Jul 23 2013, 9:59pm
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Sorry Elaen - we'll teak care of it! //
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Brethil
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Jul 23 2013, 10:02pm
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But it's all in good fern! /
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Darkstone
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Jul 24 2013, 3:31pm
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Oak-a!
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noWizardme
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Jul 23 2013, 9:35pm
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They'd need a large supply of fell meat
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Rembrethil
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Jul 23 2013, 9:47pm
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Large supply of fell meat…
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noWizardme
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Jul 23 2013, 10:01pm
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