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more about trees

Grey Havens

Jul 18 2013, 12:13pm

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The Tree of Gondor hails ultimately back to [1] Telperion whose 'blossoms were of shining white' -- according to the Annals of Aman Yavanna gave the Noldor the White Tree [2] Galathilion, image of the Tree Telperion and planted beneath the tower of Tirion -- from this tree came the tree of Eressea, ultimately called [3] Celeborn, and from this [4] Nimloth 'White-flower' of Numenor, and from this the White Tree of Gondor [5] with its more detailed history.

But in The Lord of the Rings, The Return of the King, Gandalf says:

'Verily this is a sapling of the line of Nimloth the fair; and that was a seedling of Galathilion, and that a fruit of Telperion of many names, Eldest of Trees.'

Here Galathilion is the tree of Eressea rather, and it is a fruit of Telperion not an image of it. And there is no mention of a Tree in Tirion upon Tuna. Elrond had said [The Council of Elrond]:


'There in the courts of the King [in Minas Anor] grew a white tree, from the seed of that tree which Isildur brought over the deep waters, and the seed of that tree before came from Eressea, and before that out of the Uttermost West in the Day before days when the world was young.'

So [4] Tree of Gondor <> from seed of Numenorean [3] Nimloth <> from seed of Eressean [2] Galathilion <> implied seed of [1] Telperion.

So according to the Silmarillion we have 5 trees [well, so to speak, if you take my meaning], but in The Lord of the Rings, 4. And that is why in Robert Foster's early Guide to Middle-Earth [before The Silmarillion wa published], Galathilion is the Tree of Eressea.

Christopher Tolkien comments that his father may have forgotten to revise The Lord of the Rings when ideas changed later, but in any case he never did.

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The White Tree of Gondor legolasmcm Send a private message to legolasmcm Jul 17 2013, 3:46am
    According to Foster's 'The Complete Guide to Middle-earth'... Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Jul 17 2013, 2:56pm
    From the book Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Jul 17 2013, 3:01pm
        more about trees Elthir Send a private message to Elthir Jul 18 2013, 12:13pm
            Wow Nuradar Send a private message to Nuradar Jul 19 2013, 4:01pm
            And then the sixth tree... Asger Send a private message to Asger Jul 20 2013, 9:53pm
                my somewhat confusing numbers Elthir Send a private message to Elthir Jul 20 2013, 11:12pm
                    drat... Elthir Send a private message to Elthir Jul 20 2013, 11:26pm
                    I didn't remember... Asger Send a private message to Asger Jul 21 2013, 8:39am


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