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No, Sauron didn't know, but Denethor did.

Elizabeth
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Jul 10 2013, 8:23am


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No, Sauron didn't know, but Denethor did. [In reply to] Can't Post
Sauron doubtless thought he was taunting Denethor with a "spy" they had captured, which was how they described him at the Black Gate (without admitting that the spy had escaped).

But Denethor had heard all about it from Gandalf, and knew the full (potential) implications of a hobbit being captured trying to enter Mordor. So Denethor was devastated. No inconsistency.

Denethor gets full marks, IMO, for not revealing the Ring to Sauron in that conversation!






(This post was edited by Elizabeth on Jul 10 2013, 8:26am)

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What I loved about the Hobbit film! aruman Send a private message to aruman Jul 9 2013, 1:19am
    Freeman is Bilbo Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Jul 9 2013, 1:29am
        He doesn't kick him in the face Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful Jul 9 2013, 1:48am
            I wasn't trying to suggest Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Jul 9 2013, 1:57am
                Not at all like jumping over a hurdle Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful Jul 9 2013, 2:06am
                    Well, all I can say is that it does bother me. // Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Jul 9 2013, 2:11am
                        I understand Ham_Sammy Send a private message to Ham_Sammy Jul 9 2013, 2:31am
                            That didn't bother me Elessar Send a private message to Elessar Jul 9 2013, 3:20am
                                Yupper IdrilofGondolin Send a private message to IdrilofGondolin Jul 9 2013, 7:54pm
                                    Faramir Elessar Send a private message to Elessar Jul 9 2013, 8:03pm
                                        Denethor Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Jul 9 2013, 11:11pm
                                            Wow, I've never made that connection Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Jul 10 2013, 2:25am
                                                Evidence: Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Jul 10 2013, 6:16am
                                                    Brilliant Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Jul 10 2013, 5:40pm
                                            Crispy Denethor Elessar Send a private message to Elessar Jul 10 2013, 5:18am
                                            The only problem with that notion is that Sauron never fully understood Gandalf's plan. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jul 10 2013, 7:36am
                                                No, Sauron didn't know, but Denethor did. Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Jul 10 2013, 8:23am
                                            Intersting point about the palantir Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower Jul 10 2013, 11:08am
                                                Do we need to know the background for the resentment? Eleniel Send a private message to Eleniel Jul 10 2013, 1:08pm
                                                    Denethor and Faramir in the movies Noria Send a private message to Noria Jul 10 2013, 1:28pm
                                                    The thing is that in the book Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower Jul 10 2013, 4:13pm
                                                        I thought that way already Elessar Send a private message to Elessar Jul 10 2013, 4:37pm
                                                        I think AncalagontheBlack Send a private message to AncalagontheBlack Jul 10 2013, 6:25pm
                                                        Faramir in book and film Noria Send a private message to Noria Jul 10 2013, 8:27pm
                                                        what? You mean not everyone liked... Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Jul 11 2013, 2:58am
                                                            I dont have any problems with that scene Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower Jul 11 2013, 12:26pm
                                                                well it is better than Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Jul 11 2013, 4:53pm
                                            Sorry, Elizabeth, but I've kept looking at this and wondering.... dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Jul 10 2013, 6:58pm
                                                Yes, it was certainly a high-risk operation. Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Jul 10 2013, 9:46pm
                                                    Well, not necessarily.... dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Jul 10 2013, 10:17pm
                            I can understand why that would bother you Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Jul 10 2013, 2:18am
                        That actually didn't bother me too much Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Jul 9 2013, 2:42am
                            Yes with yet another lotr moment Lusitano Send a private message to Lusitano Jul 9 2013, 1:10pm
                            I didn't like the ring falling on his finger Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Jul 10 2013, 2:27am
                            Choices dreamflower Send a private message to dreamflower Jul 15 2013, 1:40pm
                        I certainly didn't mean to suggest that it shouldn't Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful Jul 9 2013, 4:22am
    Freeman was amazing Elessar Send a private message to Elessar Jul 9 2013, 3:28am
    What I loved about the Hobbit film... dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Jul 9 2013, 9:11am
        Bomby is in TOTAL Agreement with Dormouse! Bombadil Send a private message to Bombadil Jul 9 2013, 9:46am
        Could not have said it better Arandir Send a private message to Arandir Jul 9 2013, 11:17am
        Masterfully said emre43 Send a private message to emre43 Jul 9 2013, 12:08pm
        Me to. PJ took me to Middle Earth again Noria Send a private message to Noria Jul 9 2013, 12:15pm
            Those all are mine too Ham_Sammy Send a private message to Ham_Sammy Jul 9 2013, 2:22pm
        Exactly, dormouse! Riven Delve Send a private message to Riven Delve Jul 9 2013, 3:23pm
        hear hear, dormouse! Old Toby Send a private message to Old Toby Jul 9 2013, 3:25pm
        We have a bingo! :-) Elessar Send a private message to Elessar Jul 9 2013, 3:45pm
    my high points AncalagontheBlack Send a private message to AncalagontheBlack Jul 9 2013, 2:45pm
    My absolute favourite thing about the film Radagast-Aiwendil Send a private message to Radagast-Aiwendil Jul 9 2013, 4:54pm
        For me the biggest surprise was Thorin, played by Richard Armitage Glorfindela Send a private message to Glorfindela Jul 9 2013, 5:16pm
    One of the few things i loved about the film Lusitano Send a private message to Lusitano Jul 9 2013, 5:31pm
    Yes he is Ziggy Stardust Send a private message to Ziggy Stardust Jul 10 2013, 12:23am

 
 
 

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