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Lorien

Jun 25 2013, 9:41pm


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Tolkien identifying the Elven King as Thranduil confirm the Elven King as Thranduil?

You make an interesting point about a visual introduction to Tolkien's world with either LoTR
or the Hobbit. Perhaps LoTR's legacy is inviolable for me in that it really was my first experience
with the world of Middle-Earth. Maybe there is a bit of a bias, then, on my part.

Additionally, perhaps there is no inherent 'flaw' with the Hobbit thus far; some of a tepid reception might
stem from the Hobbit following what's been done and seen already, in some instances.

Yet, I am still not sure that it is entirely precedent bias that informs my perception of the the Hobbit thus far.
What I describe may simply be the music toward my conclusions, but think back to Fellowship of the Ring and
then AUJ with their respective speeches on the irony of small. In FoTR, Galadriel tells Frodo that small can
change the course of the future. In AUJ Gandalf says that the small/little things of "love" and "kindness" hold
back the dark. Now, I don't believe that the efficacy of the latter is contingent on the pre-existence of the former.
Even if the former has the advantage of novelty, it doesn't excuse the latter's 'kindness' and 'love,' which feels
a bit weird in the particular context of the story. It's possible that it feels too much for us the audience. But maybe
it works well for others. Thoughts?

Subject User Time
Support for Sir Peter Jackson The Tenth Walker Send a private message to The Tenth Walker Jun 24 2013, 2:59am
    I agree wholeheartedly Galasriniel Send a private message to Galasriniel Jun 24 2013, 3:07am
    I admire PJ for having a vision and sticking with it. Ataahua Send a private message to Ataahua Jun 24 2013, 3:21am
    I love Jackson's vision Ham_Sammy Send a private message to Ham_Sammy Jun 24 2013, 3:30am
    As strongly worded as your post is Old Toby Send a private message to Old Toby Jun 24 2013, 4:14am
        Heh, Ataahua Send a private message to Ataahua Jun 24 2013, 4:26am
            Oh that is brilliant Starling Send a private message to Starling Jun 24 2013, 6:11am
        I don't know why. Tinkerbell Send a private message to Tinkerbell Jun 24 2013, 4:54am
            yeah I think that's what it all comes down to in the end Old Toby Send a private message to Old Toby Jun 24 2013, 6:32am
                Well, Yngwulff Send a private message to Yngwulff Jun 24 2013, 6:58am
                    Benefit of the doubt on what? emre43 Send a private message to emre43 Jun 24 2013, 7:27am
                        Money is subjective Yngwulff Send a private message to Yngwulff Jun 24 2013, 8:28am
                        Replying to my own post but that is supposed to say $1 billion not 2 emre43 Send a private message to emre43 Jun 24 2013, 10:46am
    Well Said! Buchanicus Send a private message to Buchanicus Jun 24 2013, 6:08am
    Couldn't agree more The Tenth Walker emre43 Send a private message to emre43 Jun 24 2013, 7:25am
    Yes dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Jun 24 2013, 8:00am
        I agree with you (what's new?) Glorfindela Send a private message to Glorfindela Jun 24 2013, 8:45am
            Made-up characters and plots Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 Jun 24 2013, 1:08pm
                No, it wouldn't for me. Glorfindela Send a private message to Glorfindela Jun 24 2013, 2:28pm
                    I don't really see the difference... Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 Jun 24 2013, 2:35pm
        Totally agree with all you say dormouse elaen32 Send a private message to elaen32 Jun 24 2013, 9:06am
            It not only can be done, it already has been many times. Christine Golden Send a private message to Christine Golden Jun 25 2013, 7:05pm
                Great list! Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Jun 25 2013, 7:11pm
                Might i add to your already impressive list... sauget.diblosio Send a private message to sauget.diblosio Jun 25 2013, 11:54pm
                Adaptations SheHathaldir Send a private message to SheHathaldir Jun 26 2013, 4:37am
        True Rostron2 Send a private message to Rostron2 Jun 24 2013, 4:44pm
            I do try to be impartial Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 24 2013, 9:06pm
            I wish they would take the ships to the west Lusitano Send a private message to Lusitano Jun 24 2013, 9:56pm
            All opinions are welcome here entmaiden Send a private message to entmaiden Jun 24 2013, 11:47pm
            Do what to what? Tinkerbell Send a private message to Tinkerbell Jun 25 2013, 9:50pm
                I know! tolktolk Send a private message to tolktolk Jun 26 2013, 8:43am
    Welcome The Tenth Walker Kelvarhin Send a private message to Kelvarhin Jun 24 2013, 8:54am
    A perspective... Lindele Send a private message to Lindele Jun 24 2013, 12:37pm
        PJ's Success! Bombadil Send a private message to Bombadil Jun 24 2013, 1:09pm
    No one can say for absolute certain what Tolkien would have thought of Jackson's screenplay... Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 Jun 24 2013, 1:01pm
        Quick point about Eagles Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 24 2013, 1:25pm
            Tolkien had an explanation for why the eagles would only go so far though... Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 Jun 24 2013, 1:54pm
        Sal, your post is a great example The Grey Elf Send a private message to The Grey Elf Jun 24 2013, 2:05pm
            I think some of what PJ's done has been excellent... Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 Jun 24 2013, 2:34pm
                You have verified a point I have made before glor Send a private message to glor Jun 25 2013, 8:26pm
                    I already knew The Hobbit by the time I saw the FOTR film... Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 Jun 25 2013, 9:24pm
                        Sorry misinterpreted your post// glor Send a private message to glor Jun 25 2013, 9:29pm
                            Not a problem... Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 Jun 25 2013, 10:09pm
                    Wouldn't Tinkerbell Send a private message to Tinkerbell Jun 25 2013, 9:41pm
        Now this is the way to do it Sal. I agree with Grey Elf. Old Toby Send a private message to Old Toby Jun 24 2013, 3:50pm
    Agree with so much here Tenth Walker Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 24 2013, 1:32pm
    I too agree with this and with Lindele Noria Send a private message to Noria Jun 24 2013, 1:41pm
    Eh, sauget.diblosio Send a private message to sauget.diblosio Jun 24 2013, 2:08pm
        No dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Jun 24 2013, 2:41pm
            How is using the word "supposedly" at all hostile? sauget.diblosio Send a private message to sauget.diblosio Jun 24 2013, 3:26pm
                "Supposedly" implies that you don't believe it... dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Jun 24 2013, 4:40pm
    I do not agree with all of the creative choices PJ makes The Grey Elf Send a private message to The Grey Elf Jun 24 2013, 2:23pm
    Count me in! kareniel Send a private message to kareniel Jun 24 2013, 3:09pm
    Peter has done and incredible job which has truely inspired me and many others tom oates Send a private message to tom oates Jun 24 2013, 4:10pm
        Saruman did die in the book. // Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Jun 24 2013, 4:40pm
    I am all for giving Peter Jackson the benefit of the doubt Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Jun 24 2013, 6:24pm
        Couldn't have put it better myself malickfan Send a private message to malickfan Jun 24 2013, 7:03pm
        Well, I don't know.... dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Jun 24 2013, 7:12pm
            Were the stone gaints actually mde out of stone? malickfan Send a private message to malickfan Jun 24 2013, 7:20pm
            Dormouse, I agree. Noria Send a private message to Noria Jun 24 2013, 7:20pm
            But did Tolkien intend that the Stone-giants were literally made out of stone? Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Jun 24 2013, 7:23pm
        Yes, this is another one of my gripes... Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 Jun 24 2013, 8:47pm
            completely Agree Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Jun 25 2013, 12:39am
                An example Lusitano Send a private message to Lusitano Jun 25 2013, 12:54am
    I see that even this thread is deteriorating into people making disparaging remarks Old Toby Send a private message to Old Toby Jun 24 2013, 10:37pm
        Here's an easy solution Ham_Sammy Send a private message to Ham_Sammy Jun 24 2013, 10:53pm
            Just what I was thinking as an afterthought! Old Toby Send a private message to Old Toby Jun 24 2013, 11:06pm
                It honestly has helped me Ham_Sammy Send a private message to Ham_Sammy Jun 25 2013, 1:57am
    I don't know about you all.. KW Jun 24 2013, 10:40pm
    Thank You SheHathaldir Send a private message to SheHathaldir Jun 25 2013, 4:34am
    Couldn't agree wit the OP more. Bumpypotato Send a private message to Bumpypotato Jun 25 2013, 12:03pm
        Aside from some of the minor changes the only only one .... Yngwulff Send a private message to Yngwulff Jun 25 2013, 1:36pm
            Exactly. Bumpypotato Send a private message to Bumpypotato Jun 25 2013, 1:39pm
            Azog Ham_Sammy Send a private message to Ham_Sammy Jun 25 2013, 2:09pm
            Wait and see.... arithmancer Send a private message to arithmancer Jun 25 2013, 6:40pm
    If I might be allowed an alternate point of view - geordie Send a private message to geordie Jun 26 2013, 12:24pm
        I think both are true entmaiden Send a private message to entmaiden Jun 26 2013, 1:10pm
    I'll repeat what I've said for years... grammaboodawg Send a private message to grammaboodawg Jul 27 2013, 12:11am

 
 
 

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